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Maybe I am missing something here, but surely as doughino says, if you are part of a syndicate which has the financial clout to cover a large number of horses in each race then you are in a stronger position than me with my £2 single line?
I think what you were missing the post immediately above yours.
Syndicates only have financial clout up to a point; the notion that they can buy the pool has proven to be erroneous on many occasions. It is indeed a level playing field, and the small punter gets the same (or better) value for his individual stake as the big boys. His chance of winning each week is correspondingly smaller, but the risk/reward ratio is the crucial measurement.
Sorry for going a little off topic but regarding big syndicates playing for big pools the following link(see post #6) is regarding the "biggest" syndicate playing for a large pot and how far they had to go to limit their loss when winning it. Although its about keno, the poster "hobbes" was one of the three biggest of the big regarding horse betting in the world.
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Interesting link La Trappe, thanks- and welcome to the Forum!
Thank you
I think that is completely inaccurate. To say the pot runs into millions on occasions as a result of syndicate involvement is pure fantasy, unless of course you have statistical proof of this as opposed to just another hunch.
Firefox,
give this one up fella; your knowledge of racing does you credit but you are clearly no betting expert. These things aren’t subjective, they are a matter of fact. Both myself and Shadow Leader (plus several others on here that I know of) are very familiar with the workings of Tote Pool business. Some of your comments on this topic are misinformed or simply naive.
I am simply asking for some proof otherwise it becomes one persons opinion versus another, as opposed to a fact based argument being presented. Yes I may be ill informed, however I simply do not buy the theory that the larger syndicates are creating the large pools. Granted I can see how they have a lager input into the pool, however are you seriously telling me that if the syndicates pulled out the Scoop 6 would collapse?
The answer to your last question is a resounding yes. All you have to do is look at the bets which syndicates have decided are poor value like the Trifecta or the Super 7. The latter has over £750k in the pot but is absolutely dead on its airse and will undoubtedly be scrapped once someone flukes a win. The evidence is seen every day. Total bet into Jackpot pools when the syndicates don’t play is less than £5k per day, which shows that regular punters simply don’t play either unless the rewards are high. You mentioned that the Scoop6 was introduced as a "Fun Bet". This makes no sense as any punter knows that there’s no fun in picking six winners only to find that you are getting paid ten grand for a bet which would return twenty times that much at SP. These bets only work when the pools are guaranteed to be huge, and that only happens when syndicates swell those pools.
I can’t believe you expect someone to publish confidential information in order to admit you’re wrong. We know how much syndicates put into the Scoop6 simply by comparing turnover on non rollover vs rollover weeks, when "fun punters" will presumably bet the same money. This information is freely available on the tote site (http://club.totesport.com/totepoolLiveI … /index.htm)
There is also plenty of data about how much money is generated via the big three bookmakers, who would produce the majority of public turnover on the bet. Syndicates will tend to go through routes which enable them to get a small kickback on the commission. This is clearly not my info to publish but I’ve seen such figures in my time. They show clearly that there are not hundreds of thousands of small punters betting on the Scoop6. I’m afraid you’ll have to trust me on that one.
Maybe I am missing something here, but surely as doughino says, if you are part of a syndicate which has the financial clout to cover a large number of horses in each race then you are in a stronger position than me with my £2 single line?
I think what you were missing the post immediately above yours.
Syndicates only have financial clout up to a point; the notion that they can buy the pool has proven to be erroneous on many occasions. It is indeed a level playing field, and the small punter gets the same (or better) value for his individual stake as the big boys. His chance of winning each week is correspondingly smaller, but the risk/reward ratio is the crucial measurement.
Sorry for going a little off topic but regarding big syndicates playing for big pools the following link(see post #6) is regarding the "biggest" syndicate playing for a large pot and how far they had to go to limit their loss when winning it. Although its about keno, the poster "hobbes" was one of the three biggest of the big regarding horse betting in the world.
http://www.asianracing.nu/vb/showthread.php?t=1954maybe the scoop6 was just too tough for ’em
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The Super7 pool has surpassed £1,000,000 and the 34,000+ tickets who survived today’s first leg have been reduced to only 43 following Elite Land’s defeat at Huntingdon.
I’ve had three lines in the last couple of weeks and haven’t registered more than three winners on any occasion. You’ve got to laugh really. I wonder if the Tote will be tempted, for entertainment’s sake, to put up seven relatively easy races one day just to see the pot split 10,000 ways.
And as I type the fortunate 43 are now but 4, with Dancing Lyra (13/8) and My Friend Fritz (6/4) absolutely nowhere at Southwell.
Topless showing classic signs of post traumatic stress disorder there.
You could see her thinking ‘you’re not getting me with those laser beams again’.
Publicity seeking Journalist in outrageous mafia/racing claims shocker.
Say something contraversial and get free publicity.
Put a sock in it Dave Nevison. You make Lily Allen look to be a non attention seeker.
I see Dr Ashforth isn’t too impressed with this Nevi-ending bet either.
Surely it’s time for the tote to give us all advance warning of a day they’re gonna make this thing winnable, choose some solvable heats and get some super7 fever in betting shops throughout the land with the big rollover. Get it won, then take their cut and then put it quietly to bed.
Good grief, it looks like this bet might be won today.
…..unless something happens in the huge field handicap hurdles at Thurles (yes Thurles!) or Taunton to
Nevison
the hopefuls.
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Nine winners it would seem, according to scoop6.co.uk at least.
Will Nevison be one of them?
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