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  • #180219
    guskennedy
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    Zarkava apparently "failed to sparkle" in a gallop this morning, according to the Sporting Life site. It’s not what you want to hear if you’ve backed her.

    #180224
    halfwaytoheaven
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    On the flip side, if she comes out and wins on Sunday without sparkling in training it’s exactly what you want to hear :wink:

    #180228
    Anonymous
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    Or maybe that she may never see a racecourse again, as so many of those that ‘fail to sparkle’ seem not to?
    4 months out is a long time for a racehorse with no problems, even one being prepared for the Arc.

    #180249
    guskennedy
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    Zarkava’s trainer sounds a bit more upbeat in the report on the RP site.

    #180262
    carvillshill
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    Prospect Wells looks interesting even though Getaway has a higher profile for Fabre so far. I may be tempted to back him for the Arc if he turns up in the Niel on Sunday. He didn’t get the run of the race behind Montmartre where the winner got too much rope and that race may just be decent form.

    #180311
    Ormonde
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    Funny thing about racing Colin is that if she wins you will kick yourself and your head will then tell you "I knew she would"

    I’m not SOF fan by any stretch of the imagination. He won his position in the market after defeting Getaway who simply had a bad day.

    I can’t understand anyone seriously fancying him to win but it would not shock me if he got a place with luck in running.

    New Approach will probably do everything in his power to beat himself whichb is such a pity as he is a very very good horse.

    I already backed him as a saver when I first backed Zarkava but he wouldn’t save me now if the filly got beat.

    Perhaps Getaway never beat that much last time but if he goes to the Arc in top form he would be my selection to cause a minor upset.

    However bith my heart and my head tell me this filly is extra special. With that in mind and the fact that the only other horse who has caught the imagination this season (DOM) won’t be around it is not agreat Arc.

    So inclusion I think she only needs to be half as good as I think she is to have a very good chance of winning and if she is as good as I think the rest would beas well staying at home.

    GL with whatever you end up doing though.

    I think SOF is a better horse than Getaway any day given.
    And I think that O’Brien has been preparing the Soldier for the October showpiece since June. If he wins the Foy on Sunday, I don’t think that he’ll be out of the three… unless he gets injured or very severely hampered in the final straight.

    I totally agree with your points on both NA and Zarkava.
    I think what happened with her gallop yesterday was that she’s been out of competition for a very long time, and just needs the action again. I wouldn’t be concerned at all, it’s completely normal that it takes a couple of gallops to go back to impressing form after such a long period. It happened the same with Curlin before his victory in the Woodward after his defeat in turf, to mention just one recent example.

    Clivex, the reason why I don’t see Youmzain (of course I might be wrong, this is just my personal opinion) as a great danger to the four I mentioned in my original post is that I consider him a "mystery horse". He runs well, then terribly, then well, then bad again. I mean, he’s not consistent at all.
    His victory in the GP de Saint-Cloud was great, defeating SOF after this one run away with the Coronation, but his KG was dreadful. True that he was a bit hampered turning for home, but he came nine lengths behind DOM and PB. Too bad, even his jockey admited it after the race. He’ll run this Sunday in the Foy, and there he’ll probably have a nice chance of getting close to SOF and PB, but the Arc will probably be a different story. I honestly don’t see him as such a great danger, though if you decide to back him in the end… you’ll cash some pretty nice money. Best of lucks.

    Reet hard, Zarkava will be retired to stud after the Arc, that’s for sure. It’s the Aga’s policy to retire his fillies, normally, at the end of their three year old season. His broodmares have a very high weight in his breeding operations, and if the daughter of Zamindar wins both the Vermeille and the Arc (not impossible at all), imagine…

    Carvillshill, PW is still in for the Niel. My best would be for him to finish second behind Vision D’Etat, who I still consider the "hidden horse" for the Arc. But whoever of the two wins, will be the best three year old colt attending the race together with NA.

    Best to all.

    #180312
    Ormonde
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    Sorry, my first part of the previous message is a quote from Fist of Fury 2k8.
    Not sure what I did wrong.
    Apologies to all of you.

    #180334
    Ormonde
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    Aaaaaaaaaaargh,
    Soldier of Fortune, Papal Bull and Youmzain, all out of the Foy!!!
    Zambezi Sun looks the most serious contender for that prep now.

    #180396
    Avatar photoMDeering
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    You knew Soldier Of Fortune was not running in the Foy?

    Would not have expected Youmzain or Papal Bull there either.

    #180441
    Ormonde
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    No, and actually I thought he would run, that’s why in my previous message I considered him as a serious candidate.

    But I went onto
    http://www2.france-galop.com/FGWeb/doma … .aspx?L=en

    and clicked on Longchamp for 14th of September, checked the runners for Sunday’s card, and… the three of them out!!! Until Monday afternoon, they were all possibles.

    Fortunately, Zarkava is still in for the Vermeille (after a scintillating last morning gallop by the way), and both Vision D’Etat and PW in the Niel.

    #180451
    carvillshill
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    I’ve had a good belt at Prospect Wells for the Arc and for the Niel (Blue Square were 5/2, now 9/4). Even at 9/4 I make him a knocking bet for Sunday.

    #180487
    Fist of Fury 2k8
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    Have to agree and now 2/1 is still great value 7/2 the double with Zarkava at 1/2 is an absolute steal in my book.

    When we collect you’re buying :D

    #180758
    parlo
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    By the way: anybody from this forum at Longchamp at the Arc-day?

    Perhaps a nice chance to meet?! :D

    #180847
    Avatar photoMDeering
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    I am most disappointed by the Prix Niel field. Any of Chinchon, Hello Morning, Trincot, Thewayyouare, Magadan, Democrate and especially High Rock are not there!

    Now – why not the latter?

    Vision d’Etat would need to win today to cement his genuine chances in the Arc.

    #180940
    halfwaytoheaven
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    1.4 seconds between Zarkava’s Prix Vermeille winning time and Vision D’Etat’s Prix Niel winning time.

    Considering it looked like VD’E was ridden very softly with a lot left the value has got to be with VD’E at the moment. Surely?

    I’m on Zarkava at 7’s but VD’E does look an even more interesting bet now.

    #180957
    Bulwark
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    Am quite happy that Vision D’Etat has had an easy race and looks like going to the arc fit and well. he’s such a workmanlike horse, but think when under pressure he has much more than he has been called for so far.

    #180971
    Fist of Fury 2k8
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    1.4 seconds between Zarkava’s Prix Vermeille winning time and Vision D’Etat’s Prix Niel winning time.

    Considering it looked like VD’E was ridden very softly with a lot left the value has got to be with VD’E at the moment. Surely?

    I’m on Zarkava at 7’s but VD’E does look an even more interesting bet now.

    In your dreams !! Zarkava is the best since Sea Bird II the biggest certainty you will ever come across

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