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It is my belief despite what I read here that Aidan will send Septimus to the Arc. If given his head entering the false straight he will gallop the field to death.He has too much weight for the Cup and his form is outstanding.Coolmore will take a full hand to Paris in two weeks I believe. With Septimus they don’t need a pacemaker.If he is caught by anyone it will be the Duke, if he runs.The French filly won’t have the heart to catch Septimus.Murtagh will ride The Duke and Heffernan Septimus.Perhaps Hughes will ride Soldier of Fortune.
Errr, Coolmore have known all year what sort of weight Septimus will have. There is no point him winning the Arc for them, much preferable for SOF or DOM to win it. Septimus will go to Australia.
I disagree with andyod.
IMHO, Zarkava has the heart to catch Septimus. She is a super high class individual.
And I’ll go a bit further if allowed, and say that she can even catch DOM should the Coolmore representative hit the front a couple of furlongs from home. That turn of foot that she has is very special. And with the weight that both of O’Brien horses will have to conceed her… I see a female, fifteen years after Urban Sea, winning the Arc. And I’ll be a very happy man…
I know that the Duke has proven in his last five races that he is in top form, and a very serious contender that battles all the way to the line, but Zarkava, IMO, has that extra gear in her that can make the difference.It’s of course going to be a mouthwatering duel… if the Duke shows up.
If the Duke runs in the Arc and is beaten, his hard earned reputation is gone.If Septimus runs in the Arc and wins then Coolmore have 3 superstars to retire at the end of the year.Whereas if Septimus runs in the Cup and wins he remains a big handicap and a long distance group1 winner. A National Hunt pedigree at the end of the day. Hardly worth keeping in training for.So either they believe that SoF can win the Arc or they send Septimus to France .
If the Duke runs in the Arc and is beaten, his hard earned reputation is gone.If Septimus runs in the Arc and wins then Coolmore have 3 superstars to retire at the end of the year.Whereas if Septimus runs in the Cup and wins he remains a big handicap and a long distance group1 winner. A National Hunt pedigree at the end of the day. Hardly worth keeping in training for.So either they believe that SoF can win the Arc or they send Septimus to France .
The Duke’s hard earned reputation will not be gone, Coolmore have shown before they are not afraid for their horses to get beat e.g Dylan Thomas fee certainly was not harmed.
If Septimus wins the Arc in soft ground he still won’t be that fashionable as a stallion prospect given a Leger and and Cup races wins to his name. The likes of Marianbard retired without the "superstar" status to his name despite winning the Arc.
Septimus will run in the Melbourne Cup given all the trouble they went to to get the quaranteen cleared. They want to do well in Australia and be seen to be taken Australian racing seriously given their breeding operation down there.
New Approach doesnt run
Will go to the Champion Stakes instead now
But keep your anti post bets safe in case they accidentally left him in
Gaelic Warrior Gold Cup Winner 2026
New Approach doesnt run
Will go to the Champion Stakes instead now
But keep your anti post bets safe in case they accidentally left him in
haha too true!
On a similar note to that, does anyone else think AOB may just be playing a game with regards to DoM’s Great Leighs run and is in fact going to declare him as running in the Arc at the very last minute?
Ladbrokes don’t even offer a price for DOM in the Arc, which usually tells its own story as we all know.
I am severly tempted to lay the bones out of DOM on Betfair for this reason only, but to be frank i don’t really have the balls because he should go close if he does go to Longchamp
They want to do well in Australia and be seen to be taken Australian racing seriously given their breeding operation down there.
I wish. As far as bringing stayers down to run in Flemington’s staying drag-race [oxymoron intended], it’s just a hopeless expedition.
Entertaining the idea of competing in the Cox Plate, for instance, would fire the imagination of the Australian racing fraternity. The two weeks prior to Grandera’s tilt at the 2002 Cox Plate were some of the greatest in my life. We had an Emirates World Champion competing against Australia’s best (and what a brilliant field it was).
In years gone by … well, Paolini, Elegant Fashion, Grey Swallow under Australian management however – and Chapple-Hyam had the audacity to consider Traffic Guard this year. This is not like running the Grosser Preis or Gran Premio.
You can run on the StrathAyr at Moonee Valley and then 1 1/2 months later up to Sha Tin on the StrathAyr for the Hong Kong Cup. Easy! Why not?!
Aidan O’Brien taking Australian racing seriously? If Dylan Thomas is now standing at Jerry’s Plains in the Hunter Valley, why didn’t he run in Australia and win the Cox Plate as enormous exposure to the Australian breeding community to which he is promoting himself for services?
For a breeding purpose, none of Yeats or Septimus are stud worthy as we don’t have NH racing as such.
Anyway – spiel over. On topic again.
They want to do well in Australia and be seen to be taken Australian racing seriously given their breeding operation down there.
You can run on the StrathAyr at Moonee Valley and then 1 1/2 months later up to Sha Tin on the StrathAyr for the Hong Kong Cup. Easy! Why not?!
Err maybe have a look at the European racing calender….to get down there for that time would require the top European horses to miss Arc/Breeders Cup meetings due to quaranteen. The Cox Plate is a valuable race, but the Arc is probably the most important race in the World.
Sending 3 horses all the way for Melbourne is a serious step for most European trainers….as I am sure sending Australian sprinters solely for Royal Ascots sprints is for the Aussie trainers rather than the actual biggest sprint of the year (The July Cup).
The possibility of Septimus landing a Melbourne Cup and the prospect of him going back to defend his title the following year is an enticing one for most.
Aidan could you explain your statement that there would be no point in a son of Sadlers Wells winning the Arc for Coolmore.That it would be better for a son of Danehill or of Galileo to win.?
Aidan could you explain your statement that there would be no point in a son of Sadlers Wells winning the Arc for Coolmore.That it would be better for a son of Danehill or of Galileo to win.?
Septimus winning the Arc would not make him commercial given his record in Cup races.
I see Richard Hughes has been jocked off Youmzain in favour of Richard Hills.
Aye, interesting one that, David.
When Youmzain beat Soldier of Fortune in France I thought that connections had decided to try and ride him more prominently. However, his run in the King George (and I accept the ground was against him) was very poor.
I like Hughes, I think he settles horses very well and his ride of River Proud at Goodwood was very good this season. However, I thought his rides on Youmzain at Ascot, and at Epsom in the Coronation Cup were very very poor.
Yet, it would be interesting to know whether this decision has been taken due solely to ‘Youmzain’ factors, or whether the owner has just had enough of Hughes in general.
I’d be interested to know what riding instructions were given to Hughes in the King George.
If the Duke runs in the Arc and is beaten, his hard earned reputation is gone.If Septimus runs in the Arc and wins then Coolmore have 3 superstars to retire at the end of the year.Whereas if Septimus runs in the Cup and wins he remains a big handicap and a long distance group1 winner. A National Hunt pedigree at the end of the day. Hardly worth keeping in training for.So either they believe that SoF can win the Arc or they send Septimus to France .
For me the only danger to Zarkava was New Approach and I don’t belive for one minute they believe SOF has any chance of beating this filly.
I also believe they are taking the option of avoiding the filly with DOM who they must realise if he is going to be beaten it will be by her.
As far as Septimus goes I just can’t see that one figuring in the race.
The Arc which is usually mega competitive is starting to look like another formality for Zarkava which is a pity. No matter how easily she wins they will say it was a bad Arc.
If the Duke runs in the Arc and is beaten, his hard earned reputation is gone.If Septimus runs in the Arc and wins then Coolmore have 3 superstars to retire at the end of the year.Whereas if Septimus runs in the Cup and wins he remains a big handicap and a long distance group1 winner. A National Hunt pedigree at the end of the day. Hardly worth keeping in training for.So either they believe that SoF can win the Arc or they send Septimus to France .
For me the only danger to Zarkava was New Approach and I don’t belive for one minute they believe SOF has any chance of beating this filly.
I also believe they are taking the option of avoiding the filly with DOM who they must realise if he is going to be beaten it will be by her.
As far as Septimus goes I just can’t see that one figuring in the race.
The Arc which is usually mega competitive is starting to look like another formality for Zarkava which is a pity. No matter how easily she wins they will say it was a bad Arc.
You believe that NA was the only danger to the filly. You believe DOM is avoiding the filly even though he did not avoid NA previously – the same horse you think was Zarkava’s only danger.
You believe Ballydoyle do not think SOF has a chance against the filly….please explain how you know this rather than your opinion of the filly?
If DOM does turn up does that mean they believe he can beat her and that should be respected?
I doubt the Duke will turn up for reasons which are fairly obvious to all, and previously documented (Ladbrokes no book, Great Leighs quotations etc).
However – it is ridiculous to say the Duke isn’t a serious danger to all should he turn up. His record is absolutely faultless this season.
If the Duke runs in the Arc and is beaten, his hard earned reputation is gone.If Septimus runs in the Arc and wins then Coolmore have 3 superstars to retire at the end of the year.Whereas if Septimus runs in the Cup and wins he remains a big handicap and a long distance group1 winner. A National Hunt pedigree at the end of the day. Hardly worth keeping in training for.So either they believe that SoF can win the Arc or they send Septimus to France .
For me the only danger to Zarkava was New Approach and I don’t belive for one minute they believe SOF has any chance of beating this filly.
I also believe they are taking the option of avoiding the filly with DOM who they must realise if he is going to be beaten it will be by her.
As far as Septimus goes I just can’t see that one figuring in the race.
The Arc which is usually mega competitive is starting to look like another formality for Zarkava which is a pity. No matter how easily she wins they will say it was a bad Arc.
You believe that NA was the only danger to the filly. You believe DOM is avoiding the filly even though he did not avoid NA previously – the same horse you think was Zarkava’s only danger.
You believe Ballydoyle do not think SOF has a chance against the filly….please explain how you know this rather than your opinion of the filly?
If DOM does turn up does that mean they believe he can beat her and that should be respected?
I’m with Aidan, this is one of your dafter moments fist. Why would A P O’Brien keep back one of his top middle distance horses all year just to run for second place?!! The idea is laughable.
My guess is that O’Brien learned from last year and has given SOF an easy campaign to ensure he is ready. The Niel probably bottomed him last year hence why he hasn’t been seen. He’ll no doubt be running overseas afterwards as well but the filly will need to be top of her game to beat SOF.
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