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Happy for the trainer, unhappy for the forum, let the gloating from TAPK commence!
Console yourself that we’re spared his garbage about how far Fame And Glory was likely to win by.
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Great to see Workforce back.
Just shows what a virus in the yard can do (King George).Ginger
You really are incredible!
Owner’s rep, trainer,and jockey, have all been at pains to point out his KG running was inexplicable, yet, of course, you knew the answer.
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Congrats to SMS briliant as ever.
That was very pleasing and another big race win to add to the tally. Well done TAPK who never doubted the horse even if he doubted me a little the swine
On a serious note Workforce showed an excellent turn of foot when it really mattered and although Sarfina would have got closer no way would she have got to the first two and passed them. She burst a gut getting to where she did.
Poor William Buik had two choice left or right and chose the wrong way but what about Midas Touch who caused all the problems. He’s played the roll of a very uneccessary pacemaker and caused complete havock.
Fame and Glory looked cooked alreay when he landed in a bit of trouble. Murtagh was already hard at work a long way out and as normal he wouldn’t have found a bit but still finished out the 3.
Good result and the right result at the end of the day.
What this will do to Workforce’s ranking is hard to say but Fame and Glory finished slightly further behind him than he did Sea the Stars. Take the fact Fame and Glory lost a length he should get no more than Sea the Stars did although personally I would rate Sea the Stars a the better horse.
Very good horse Workforce, flattered a bit by the Derby distance but could be a very good 4yo if SMS makes what I consider a very brave decision to keep him in training.
I’d take the money and run, there’s way too many good 2yo olds going about and next season looks like being a vintage year. Yet another 1st rate performance good enough to run in a classic from Richard fahey’s horse today.
Footnote: Henry Cecil must surely be wondering on a line through Sarafina if he made the right decision not running Midday
Well done again to Workforce and all who sailed with him.
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Great to see Workforce back.
Just shows what a virus in the yard can do (King George).Ginger
You really are incredible!
Owner’s rep, trainer,and jockey, have all been at pains to point out his KG running was inexplicable, yet, of course, you knew the answer.
Priceless!So that’s why SMS keeps calling Milla Jovovich
Great to see Workforce back.
Just shows what a virus in the yard can do (King George).Ginger
You really are incredible!
Owner’s rep, trainer,and jockey, have all been at pains to point out his KG running was inexplicable, yet, of course, you knew the answer.
Priceless!Very interesting to hear after the race when interviewed by Clare Balding that SMS openly admitted to the owner that he had possibly overtrained Workforce prior to the King George … easy to think (if you’re cynical like me) that this was not a quote you’d have heard had he not been victorious today, of course … but an interesting confession nevertheless
Thought just after halfway that he looked to be in a very tricky position on the rails behind Cavalryman but Ryan Moore did an excellent job extricating him from the rails with the minimum of fuss … and very brave of the horse to quicken through the gap in the way that he did … great ride and great to see the horse return to form … be interesting to see how the official ratings turn out as to whether it was considered a good Arc or not.
I hope my old sparring partners right about
Workforce
getting the go ahead for Sunday as i see there is plenty of rain about in Paris over the weekend! Now before i come out with by big statement i would just like to let the 2 Girls blouses
Chiswickian
and
Mr Wilson
know i"m about to make a Kings speech,i dont want you pair to go weak at the knees.or even fall over and bruise your bottoms!
Workforce has broken the Course record on fast ground at Epsom,Magnifique! But he will be an even better horse on Soft ground! And yet he"s never ran on it!!!!! 
Voila! The 2 big French guns Behkabad and Planteur are no slouches but the beast of a Grandson of Sadlers wells will blow them away! Your King has spoken! 
Comments like the above can only come from one person! "The One and only King of Foresight" "TOAOKOF" for short! I can feel a song coming on "Nobody does it better….
Workforce
you are everything and more and thanks to all connections for keeping us all so well informed! Where"s
Chiswickian
?
All Hail the King, and all those who kept the faith!
BlueSky @pghenn.bsky.social
So don't run, just like the others always do
Great to see Workforce back.
Just shows what a virus in the yard can do (King George).Ginger
You really are incredible!
Owner’s rep, trainer,and jockey, have all been at pains to point out his KG running was inexplicable, yet, of course, you knew the answer.
Priceless!Your obsession of knocking what I say is very flattering Reet.
I am only giving an opinion, it’s remarkably similar to Andyod’s, but don’t see you rubbishing him.
Trainers don’t admit to viruses unless it’s absolutely 100% obvious and they have to close the yard down for a few weeks. This was (imo) not a severe case, but there must be some reason for Sir Michael’s poor form in July. Strike rate much worse in July than it usually is at that time of year.
Other people on here have come up with explanations to the King George run, some doubtful, others very plausible. "Didn’t stay, didn’t act on the ground or course, had too hard a race at Epsom", they’ve all put up opinions on the subject. Might be a combination of reasons. The mere fact SMS says he has "no idea", surely means we all have to come up with our own ideas. So why can’t I?
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In the races he’s won he’s raced in the middle to back of the pack without battling all the way and picked up in the straight. In the 2 he lost he raced prominantly and never had anything left for his trademark assault on the leaders. Simples
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A very logical reason has come to light on what hapenned to Workforce.
He kicked off by running in the Dante behind Cape Blanco. He looked backward and in need of the race and to make things slightly worse had aproblem with his bit during the race.
I think you’ll find I am repeating what I said at the time.
To be honest when I said I thought he would win the Derby I didn’t realise how close the Dante is to the Derby.
Within 3 weeks SMS transformed the horse from a loser into a Derby winner.
SMS had a bit of a challenge on his hands and by all accounts within a week of the Dante the horse was doing some really good work and then it turned to sparkling gallops just before the Derby.
To do that in such a short space of time takes some doing and as it turned out he was so fit on the day he trounced everything out of sight.
It seems that is where the problem began.
You know when you get to the top of a mountain the only place you can go is down? and it’s a long way back up again.
If he was at his ultimate peak in the Derby because SMS had to rush things and overdid it, with only 19 days or so between the Derby and the King George, there simply wouldn’t be enough time to let Workforsce down and bring him back to full fitnes.
By his own admittamce he thinks he did too much with the horse and he was well over the top in the King George.
I’d say it’s a pretty logical explanation.
I’m not sure that the curmudgeonly Sir Michael Stoute performed any miracles in those intervening three weeks Fist. In the Derby, Workforce was racing over a more suitable trip, had the run under his belt and, of course, the horse had a problem with his bit in the Dante.
Also, there wasn’t 19 days between the Derby and the King George, there were 49 days.
Couldn’t fancy Workforce after his poor effort in the King George, with no apparant excuses. We’re all entitled to our opinions, and a lot were thrown around since Ascot, but the bottom line is that nothing was proven and even Sir Michael Stoute, to this day, can offer only an opinion.
I knocked the form of the Derby and this performance has not changed my opinion. Prior to this weekend, the respective field that day had run twenty-five times between them, producing just three successes – Buzzword in a German Group One, Rewilding in the Great Voltigeur and Hot Prospect in a Heritage Handicap.
Hardly the stuff of legends.
Like many, I said there was more to come from the winner. At Epsom, he beat an average field. This afternoon, he beat a good field.
Should this be his final race, Workforce will be remembered as a great Derby winner, but will surely be lost amongst the pantheon of great Arc winners.
A good horse, but far from great.
The hard luck story of the race had to be Sarafina. She was on her backside at a vital stage of the contest, losing momentum at a time when those around her, including Workforce, were building theirs. Workforce was one length behind at the time of the incident, but quickly took three lengths out of the filly.
After holding a promising position at the time, she was forced to come around a few rivals before flying late, away from the action. Taking everything into consideration, she probably lost about six lengths.
The french colts arguably ran up to form, but simply weren’t good enough on the day. My fancy, Planteur, had a charmed passage before fading late on. He stayed the distance in the Prix Niel and the only logical reason is that he, and Bekhabad, were outclassed.
Lope De Vega, should he return as a 4YO, will be an interesting contender for the top ten furlong events next season. Travelled as well as anything before venturing into unknown territory.
Fame And Glory ran as expected – he’s simply not an Arc horse, but I hope Cape Blanco returns next season. He could be quite a formidable middle distance performer, similar to Duke Of Marmalade, who landed five consecutive Group Ones between ten and twelve furlongs in 2008.
Well done to those who backed Workforce, especially TAPK. Well done, Calgary!
The french colts arguably ran up to form, but simply weren’t good enough on the day. My fancy, Planteur, had a charmed passage before fading late on. He stayed the distance in the Prix Niel and the only logical reason is that he, and Bekhabad, were outclassed.
Bekhabad ran well enough and was interfered with although not as much as the filly. Planteur should have had more cover – he didn’t settle and was a lot further behind his big rival than form suggests he should have been. Wrong tactics for me.
2/1 now gone. 7/4 now best price.
Timeform rating 142 for Harbinger. If they are right he’d even beat Dancing Brave.
Look forward to trading out at odds-on nearer the day.Oh dear some of us on here do get a bit OTT! I could have had 16/1 about Harbinger winning the Arc Ginge but i know for a fact he wont run on Soft ground and you never know what the ground will be like on Arc day,even on the morning of the race!! He is far more ground dependant than some realise! 7/4 is an absolute joke at this stage! I wont tell you what price i have about
Workforce
winning the Arc as you will fall off your chair mate!Notice how i didn"t say throne!
Can you believe there"s another TAPK! 2 threads 2 legends! No way!
Reading form also involves reading races and understanding whether or not horses ran to form.
Hey Presto!! Well said that man! There are times you have to cherry pick your form lines to suit your goal.Had i beleived for one minute Evens and Odds had been running to his best form this season i would never have backed him for the Stewards Cup,i saw enough,(well i didn"t see that much actually because it was foggy)in last years Stewards Cup to know if Dandy "Protected" his mark he would be a major player for this years race!Thats what you come to expect from TAPK mind! This year you dont need to be Einstein to see that
Workforce
is an absolute beast of a horse who weighs more now than when he won the Derby,you can be assured his physical improvement will reflect his chances in the Arc,which will be his 5th race in his career but more importantly he has the form to win anyway and thats because his best piece of form just so happens to be the winner of the Derby in course record time on ground and a course that wouldn"t be his 1st choice! We haven"t seen the best of Workforce yet,we will if he gets the Arc go ahead!
Wow! another Gem,that ones for
JJMsports
!
Voila! The 2 big French guns Behkabad and Planteur are no slouches but the beast of a Grandson of Sadlers wells will blow them away! Your King has spoken! 
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