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Workforce has a racecourse gallop – around a right hand track.
Normally a positive sign anyway, particularly so in one who won the Epsom Derby after a prep spin at a similar Lingfield.
http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news … G_Arc.html
I feel another mug bet coming on.
TAPK – 3 aces go straight into the muck against a simple baby flush, guess chew don’t play poker
Workforce: (goodish horse)
Hammered twice by Cape Blanco
Derby form is dreadful
King George run was horrendous
Has had no preparation of any kind
Just pops up and wins an Arc yeah (no chance)Quite possibly the worst ante-post price I’ve ever seen.
And that’s saying something.People keep saying things like that – but winning a maiden and getting stuffed in the Dante was hardly ideal preperation for a Derby demolition job.
I would have thought Workforces Derby and Dylan Thomas’ Arc would have stopped people using statistic coincidences to idlely rule horses out.
Despite Euros frank dismissals, i still have Cape Blanco as my likliest winner. Winners of the Irish Champion tend to be 12f types (in my opinion). If he can transfer that form up 2f, he’ll take some beating. Proper soft ground (not French official soft ground!) would be a concern.
TAPK – 3 aces go straight into the muck against a simple baby flush, guess chew don’t play poker
Workforce: (goodish horse)
Hammered twice by Cape Blanco
Derby form is dreadful
King George run was horrendous
Has had no preparation of any kind
Just pops up and wins an Arc yeah (no chance)Quite possibly the worst ante-post price I’ve ever seen.
And that’s saying something.i would say hammered once by cape blanco. abit unfair to say hammered in the king george as it didnt run to its best. encouraging arc prep gallop by workforce on racing post today. so surely it can only get better from there. i really cant understand your post, derby form dreadful, i bet youre only saying that because a 100/1 shot was second and you more than likely lumped it on rewilding. workforce broke the course record!! why shouldnt it have a chance in the arc. what are you looking to back in the arc anyway?
This forum gets stranger by the day, and likely time for me to desist the rare reading of it.
yes I backed Rewilding, he was 3rd, beaten a fair way, and he’s since won a mild grp2 against a leger prepper and a horse that had a year off. The Derby 2nd was a pacemaker. Midas Touch in turn was beaten in the Leger. What part of that makes Workforce a French/world beater when he’s out of form and had no preparation?
Dylan Thomas stormed home in the King George and tonked the Iron horse in the Irish Champion – do you not think that’s a little bit different to Workforce’s profile?
Amazed any of this needs clarifying tbh
Am on Behkabad from ages ago.
Good luck with it lads
The point is, Dylan Thomas couldn’t win The Arc because of such a busy season.
Did you fancy Workforce in The Derby? Me neither. Maiden winner, stuffed in The Dante? Not for me, they don’t win Derbys. But Workforce did.
I don’t neccessarily fancy him for the race, but i couldn’t rule him out, because if he’s is back to Epsom form he’ll take all the beating. If your opinion differs, fair enough. But to state he can’t win is daft – because he can.
Carry on "Desisting".
This forum gets stranger by the day, and likely time for me to desist the rare reading of it.
yes I backed Rewilding, he was 3rd, beaten a fair way, and he’s since won a mild grp2 against a leger prepper and a horse that had a year off. The Derby 2nd was a pacemaker. Midas Touch in turn was beaten in the Leger. What part of that makes Workforce a French/world beater when he’s out of form and had no preparation?
Dylan Thomas stormed home in the King George and tonked the Iron horse in the Irish Champion – do you not think that’s a little bit different to Workforce’s profile?
Amazed any of this needs clarifying tbh
Am on Behkabad from ages ago.
Good luck with it lads
True about DT, but that was a horse that ran very regularly, and they won a lot of money from it. But by the looks of things with workforce, they are taking their time as it needs alot of preperation in between its races. But be fair, crap field or not, it has won the derby, it has broke the course record.
I ruled him out the arc instantly after the KG.
Dylan’s ‘busy’ season had little bearing on a weak arc field. Again, simple things.
As for times, don’t get me started, worthless, as this beast proves.
I suppose the race is at least being discussed, it’s usually difficult given the space needed to massage people’s egos
Ciao
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So what you’re saying is that Workforce didn’t actually leave the stalls and come home in first position, it was a fixture of peoples imagination because its impossible he could win, there was no crowd at Epsom that day just like there was no Derby winner, the place was deserted and grey clouds scoured the downs.
That horse Workforce didn’t really win by 7 lengths because he wasn’t even at the track that day, in fact the real Workforce was still at home? are you saying that the time he recorded is false, if there was no winner by 7 lengths then the winning time is the horse who finished 2nd which means there is no course record.
Since I joined this forum I’ve only categorically stated that a particular horse cannot win a particular race on four occasions
These were
Kauto Star 2010 Gold Cup
Long Run 2010 RSA
Workforce 2010 KG
Workforce 2010 ArcWorkforce is not about to spoil my 100% record in The Arc
Since I joined this forum I’ve only categorically stated that a particular horse cannot win a particular race on four occasions
These were
Kauto Star 2010 Gold Cup
Long Run 2010 RSA
Workforce 2010 KG
Workforce 2010 ArcWorkforce is not about to spoil my 100% record in The Arc
Only if he doesn"t run Chelters!
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People keep writing off the Derby form as dreadful, yet it really is nothing of the sort.
I’ll accept At First Sight has done little to advertise it,but he showed in that race that he’s an out-and-out stayer, and hasn’t been ridden nearly as agressively in his 2 races since. However, Rewilding won the Voltigeur pulling a bus (didn’t stay in the Leger subsequently), Jan Vermeer has placed in 2 gp1’s, and Midas Touch has run 2nd in the Irish Derby and the St Leger.
While none of the above may be world beaters, they were all thrashed absolutely pointless by Workforce and 2 of them have subsequently finished much closer to the likes of Behkabad and Cape Blanco, so even if you see them as gp2 horses, the Derby winner has shown himself a class and a half above them, something which others equally short in the Arc betting have yet to prove.- Total Posts 17716
Agreed Reet Hard;
There are plenty of criminal thoroughbreds who are winning or placing in Group races when they shouldn’t be, At First Sight strung them along at a pace which would only through up a genuine great and only 1 horse managed to get past him which was Workforce and he wasn’t stopping, he is a genuine great and one of the best 3 year olds in recent years.
Why should a slow pace make horses look better than they are, we want to see the best that go down in history not dogs like Rewilding, Masterofthehorse, Aqaleem, Casual Conquest etc in recent years.
By god if Workforce wasn’t a serious animal he wouldn’t of gone 7l clear of AFS.
The racecourse is unique which makes form there a mugs game, who really reads form in this day an age? are you going to take the Epsom Dash literally? you have to expect every horse to run to their best in every race to take the placings for gospel and no race in the UK in last 10 years have we seen every horse categorically run to their best so time is the only way of making a living in this sport, only a mad agressive drunk who’se spent their life writing out 10p slips would think different
who really reads form in this day an age?
Me! But thats why i"m the King and you"re the dirty rascal! Reading form would be at least 80% of the reason why i am in profit! what do you do then? or is it all mythical races you bet in numpty!
So what you’re saying is that Workforce didn’t actually leave the stalls and come home in first position, it was a fixture of peoples imagination because its impossible he could win, there was no crowd at Epsom that day just like there was no Derby winner, the place was deserted and grey clouds scoured the downs.
That horse Workforce didn’t really win by 7 lengths because he wasn’t even at the track that day, in fact the real Workforce was still at home? are you saying that the time he recorded is false, if there was no winner by 7 lengths then the winning time is the horse who finished 2nd which means there is no course record.
That would be your mythical Derby then dreamboy!
Mr.Wilson the way to make money in this game is believing what you see imo. Form reading is the way to go (if your able
)Mr.Wilson wrote: "time is the only way of making a living in this sport, only a mad agressive drunk who’se spent their life writing out 10p slips would think different"
Cop yourself on please
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