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  • #1455092
    Avatar photojackh1092
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    Battaash is evens for this. Anyone any clue if he turns up?

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    #1455097
    FinalFurlong91
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    “He could go to Ireland, we’re certainly going to have a look at it and see what’s in the race. If he looks a shoo-in we’ll obviously have to look at it. The Abbaye’s more set and then the Breeders’ Cup is something we’ll have to talk to Sheikh Hamdan about.”

    Charlie hills after the nunthorpe

    #1455099
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    Lovely, cheers FF!

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    #1463521
    Avatar photoVenture to Cognac
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    Went with a couple here.

    He could obviously head to Ascot, but I thought there was a fair chance that Mabs Cross could take this in again, and the 10’s was worth a go.

    Ornate is obviously up against it here, but he’s a nice enough sort, and if he actually went here, I’d chance him to hold on for a place, so took the 80’s, for all there must be a real chance that he wouldn’t take this in.

    Not going mad at this stage obviously, just a bit of interest, but I’ll maybe have a proper bet on something once the field becomes a bit clearer.

    Mabs Cross 10’s
    Ornate 80’s EW

    #1463545
    homersimpson
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    Gold Vibe for me @ 33/1. 2nd, only by a Head, in this last year to Mab’s Cross who is a general 7 or 8/1 chance this year.

    #1463570
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    No Ornate, but Mabs Cross looks like going.

    I’d like to stick with the 10’s, but only got a small amount on, so I’ll probably top up at a lower price.

    I always like an outsider in these races, so should El Astronaute go, I’d side with him, as he’s due to bounce back, and actually tempted with 50’s, but I’ll hold off.

    #1463627
    All Jeff
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    This is a nice looking race.

    Fairyland 10-1 win for me, and I’ll also go with So Perfect at 14-1.

    #1463650
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    El Astronaute goes, so I’ll be taking 50’s EW for a small amount now.

    This wouldn’t be a massive betting race for me, but I’ll happily top up if he goes bigger, or maybe wait and see if some firms offer four places.

    He’s got zero chance on latest runs, but at his absolute peak, I could see him sneak a place.

    El Astronaute 50’s EW
    Mabs Cross 10’s

    #1463685
    Avatar photoKevMc
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    Buzzing to see Battaash again, his 2017 performance in this race was incredible.

    #1463931
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    Battaash simply has to be taken on here. He is unlikely to show his best on heavy and may well hate conditions its a total guess with him.
    Undoubtedly one of the best sprinters around on his day thiugh the York run probably flattered him slightly the same as it flattered Mums Tipple when she looked so good there.

    Gone for SESTILIO JET 40/1 ew.

    Proven french heavy ground performer as he won his group 3 over this CD on heavy.
    Sent off 2/1 fav to beat GLASS SLIPPEERS last time but only 4th. However that was ran on good ground and was on the back of a 105 day break, they just used it to put the horse spot on for today.

    Dettoris an eyecatching booking and 40/1 is massive. Surely has a big chance today under these conditions with more improvement still to come.

    #1463932
    ham
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    Agree potato hes a horse id take on at evs every time and just let him go and win

    Gold vibe e/w at 40s for me

    #1463936
    FinalFurlong91
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    2 of his best performances came on soft ground as a 3 year old so should be reasonably likely he will go on the ground

    On form he is a 1/3 shot against these so 5/6 is tempting

    But backing battaash at odds on is not for me, a bit like enable I’m happy to just watch him win

    #1463937
    potato
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    People dont seem to understand that heavy ground is completely different to soft ground. It requires a completely different action if the ground is truely heavy which im certain it is in paris by uk standards.

    Some horses will win on soft and heavy but some horses will also win on good and good/firm ground but it doesnt make the two grounds the same.

    #1463939
    Avatar photoHe Didnt Like Ground
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    Mabs cross for me , loves the place , gained for it and the stables flying

    Pick 3 on Saturday champion 2025/2026

    #1463943
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    Today’s going might be very soft, might not.
    imo You believe French going reports at your peril. Their penetrometer doesn’t seem to work. Trainers often gone over to France and found the going nothing like what they’ve been told.

    Alpha Centauri won the Marois on officially good-soft… ye’ right. Time 1.23 fast. LOL

    Yesterday’s Group 2 Prix Chaudenay 8.46 slower than Racing Post Standard. In a 1m7f race that’s per furlong only 0.564 secs slow.

    There’s also a probability race distances can be way out, but that’s another story.

    Battaash’s speed makes his very very best will always be on firmish/fast ground. However, his Chantilly Abbeye wasn’t far behind and that was run on softish ground. Neither was the 2017 Goodwood King George (mightily impressive) and that was even softer. This field has no other stars with Mabs Cross currently looking gone at the game. Battaash can probably run 10 lbs (maybe even a stone) below his best and still win. Inconsistency is over-played. Wasn’t at his best last year, but Charlie Hills’s yard’s overall strike rate dropped in 2018 too. Battaash mirroring the string. Also more settled so far this term… again making him less likely to under perform. Is no certainty but imo is quite a bit better than 50/50 (fair Evens), at least a 60% chance of winning (40% chance of losing). That makes him imo a fair 4/6 shot so have taken the 10/11. :good:

    The French horse Spinning Memories is the unknown quantity in the race and have saved on her.

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    #1463944
    potato
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    There were loads of british runners runnung yesteray at Longchamp? The grounds horrific both uk jockeys and trainers said the same thing.

    Its rained more since yesterday.

    The historically reliability of french ground reports is irrelevant as we had racing yesterday on track.

    #1463945
    Mike007
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    Not got a strong view on this because of ground.

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