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In fairness to obrien he clearly said continous was there to make sure it was a race run at a decent but not crazy tempo given that Jan brugheul clearly stays much further. The pace was the same for every horse and they all knew the score. Calandagan just not good enough on the ground and track to go past the winner who could well be much better than given credit for. Continous finished ahead of horses you would expect to beat him so didn’t run badly at all.
Whirl set sensible fractions in a race run much slower than the coronation Cup. Ballydoyle gave all 3 of their horses a chance to win if good enough.
I’m not against pacemakers per say as they usually means it’s a truly run race and gives everybody a decent chance. Without pacemakers races can become like some French races where they crawl for the first part of the race then sprint at the end meaning a good few hard luck stories on the way. Desert flower had every chance if good enough but just wasn’t as good as the first 2 on that ground and course over 12f.The use of pacemakers does need to be regulated as non triers (where appropriate),
AS LD73 referred to earlier Highest and Kinglet set a suicidal pace , that they could never maintain , and that finished the careers of both Grundy and Bustion , and could be looked upon as abuse.
Similar tactics are used over the jumps , allegedly e.g. the Toby Tobias iisues re Carvills Hill in the Gold Cup.
We should try to stop team tactics , in my view.The use of pacemakers does need to be regulated as non triers (where appropriate),
AS LD73 referred to earlier Highest and Kinglet set a suicidal pace , that they could never maintain , and that finished the careers of both Grundy and Bustino/ , and could be looked upon as abuse.
Similar tactics are used over the jumps , allegedly e.g. the Toby Tobias iisues re Carvills Hill in the Gold Cup.
We should try to stop team tactics , in my view.Hi Ginger .
Yes change tactics put over PA oncourse and will be mentioned pre race on TV as they go through field .
Horses like Buffalo River and Pride Jenni always go off fast , they drop in on purpose without Stipes being told trainer , or jock are in the firing line . They would have to mention that pre race , be same in HK as well .
As for Continious , that was a cracking ride from the front today , to me an out and out pacemaking job is the likes of Bullet Train etc where horse busts its guts making paceI don’t think Continuous did anything wrong in the Corry Cup, just set equal fractions.
Value Is Everything“Yes change tactics put over PA oncourse and will be mentioned pre race on TV as they go through field .
Horses like Buffalo River and Pride Jenni always go off fast , they drop in on purpose without Stipes being told trainer , or jock are in the firing line . They would have to mention that pre race , be same in HK as well”.For me – that’s just crazy – effectively having to tell your opponents what your tactics are going to be.
Besides, the best place to be in any race depends on the pace of the race. If slowly run the best place to be is in front. If an overly strong pace it’s best to be dropped out the back… And often you don’t know what the pace is going to be until the race starts.
Having to tell opponents you’ll be dropped out the back means they can slow the pace down and give you a massive disadvantage.
Jockeys should be free to decide where to go.
Value Is EverythingAnother Coolmoore “non-trier” in the Ribblesdale.
Going off at a speed she had absolutely no chance of sustaining.Value Is EverythingYeah its getting a joke now Ginge. Half expecting them to stick a pacemaker in the Nunthorpe
Coolmore don’t care. They got the winner, so their tactics worked. And they know they are too powerful for any racing authority to challenge them.
Whatever you may feel about “team tactics” in today’s King George. Although it was always imo very probable, we now know Jan B’ needs a greater test of stamina to be effective at 1m4f than he got in a less than truly run 1m4f on good-firm… However, surely we already KNEW Continuous needs a strongly run race to be effective at 1m4f?
So the question is once more:
Did Wayne Lordon do all he could to maximise his own (admittedly limited) chance of winning?If not then he clearly (again) broke the rules of Racing.
Value Is EverythingTo be fair Continuous knew what his job was today (clearly he didn’t get the memo that change was afoot) because he absolutely wanted to go faster than he was going but Lordon had thrown out all the anchors to the extent that the horse was tanking pretty much throughout the first mile or so of the race (thus spoiling any remote chance he had of finishing better than in 5th place).
To me it made no sense to alter the tactics for JB either as he had always raced with a lead in all of his previous races off a decent pace more often than not and being a St Leger winner with stamina his strong suit, he clearly wouldn’t (and as it transpired didn’t) have the necessary tactical speed to do what Ryan was asking of him racing from the front today.
Now had Continuous not been in the race then it would have been a fair playing field for all runners as RR would have probably have sat second and committed early off the home turn with the other two playing their hands off of him later in the straight.
Quite possible that today’s finishing order would have been exactly the same without Continuous in the race but who knows just what would have happened if they had actually employed the Epsom tactics.
I think Rebel’s Romance would have beaten Kalpana without Continuous in the race LD.
Having tried twice to get him out of a pocket to make a run Will Buick looked after him and rode him out for the 3rd slot…what’s the point of risking the horse taking a bad step trying to get round a non trier
I felt really uncomfortable watching that race today and if I didn’t love racing and these horses as much as I do I would walk away right now.
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