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I like the delicious irony of me, a hardline atheist, cheering on a man in a funny dress to become God’s next representative on Earth.
Have risked a few quid on Oscar for a laugh.
Em, I cannot find this market on any of the exchanges.<br>I’ve been searching for "POPE IDOL — THE RIVALS". Is this correct?<br> :cheesy:
I think the catholic church have chosen someone very fitting for the role of Pope.
I, for one, look forward to being lectured on morality by a former member of the Hitler Youth.
(particularly one who bears a resemblance to Joe Pesci)
Steve
(Edited by stevedvg at 4:17 pm on April 20, 2005)
I think 78 is quite young for a Pope .. there’s 1.35 pope years in a human year :biggrin:
Shame about the Hondurans, good job they didn’t pick him though .. we would never have heard the end of it .. :biggrin:
Quote: from stevedvg on 4:17 pm on April 20, 2005[br]I think the catholic church have chosen someone very fitting for the role of Pope.
I, for one, look forward to being lectured on morality by a former member of the Hitler Youth.
(particularly one who bears a resemblance to Joe Pesci)
Steve
(Edited by stevedvg at 4:17 pm on April 20, 2005)<br>
He was 16 at the time and if you know your history you will be well aware of the situation at the time in Germany and the policy of the Nazi party who were short of fighting men after the failed campaign in Russia in using children as soldiers in the defense of Germany and esp Berlin.
What next… child soldiers in Africa on trial for murder.
Not his number one fan myself but evryone deserves a clean run before you can really criticise or otherwise.
Maybe you’re right, Nixer.
I’m not a christian, so I don’t understand exactly what the Pope is meant to be.
I thought that he was the man catholics regard as the link between people and god.
And, to that end, he was put into the world to ultimately become Pope.
If so, I think it’s interesting that the senior members of the catholic church are willing to believe that, en route to becoming pope, he could work for the Nazis.
I reckon that, in their place, I would regard that as an sign that he’s not god’s man.
I think I would believe that god’s man would have resisted instead.
However, it’s not my religion, so I’ve no idea how these things are regarded.
Steve
Hi everybody
The only positive I can draw from this is that he won’t be around for too long.
Right wing morality is no morality and I pity anybody who absords this evil mans words as gospel. Religion’s were the first political parties created by man. Very little has changed in the structure of society.
‘Homosexuality is an intrinsic moral evil. Gays human rights can be legitimately limited’
….and millions worldwide believe him.
Steve,
The pope is the head of the Roman Catholic Church. The pope is believed by his church to be the successor to the Apostle Peter. He is bishop of Rome and lives in a tiny nation within Rome called the Vatican. Catholics believe that when the pope speaks officially on matters of faith and morals, he speaks infallibly.
He is not "born" to be pope ,a man never to sin from birth until grave. God does not bring a man into this world with the only purpose to be pope.
With regards to sinners and their redemption the history of the church is pretty clear on that matter.
Nixer
If the pope is believed to be the successor to the Apostle Peter, doesn’t that mean there’s some kind of lineage?
Not a lineage of blood like father to son, but of some sort of "divine Peterness" which exists in a just handful of people?
And it’s that quality that enables these people to speak with moral infallibility?
Of does the pope simply get elected like a politician and this infallibility is just acquired as a part of the job, like a company car?
Steve
Quote: from stevedvg on 11:27 am on April 21, 2005[br]Nixer
Of does the pope simply get elected like a politician and this infallibility is just acquired as a part of the job, like a company car?
Steve
If you have been watching the recent events I think it is pretty clear that he has been elected.
In Catholic theology, papal infallibility is the dogma that the Pope, when he solemnly defines a matter of faith and morals ex cathedra (that is, officially and as pastor of the universal Church), does not have the possibility of error. This doctrine was defined dogmatically by the First Vatican Council of 1870.
Contrary to the stereotype that says that Catholics think everything the pope says is infallible, dogmatic definitions by popes are in fact very rare
Nixer
I know he was elected, my question was is he "elected like a politician"?
I was open to the notion that those who choose the pope simply look to see who’s got that touch of "Peter", and are able to recognise him as the one who should be pope.
ie his election is pre-destined and whenever the old pope dies, god makes sure the person who he wants to be next is chosen.
Obviously, that would have inconsistencies.
For example, if you are one of the electorate and you vote against the guy who’s chosen, does that mean you’re blind to God’s will?
Reading what I’ve just written, I think I’m beginning to realise why I was chucked out of the Religious Education class when I was 12…. :biggrin:
Steve
Steve,
As to the earliest ages, St. Peter himself constituted a senate for the Roman Church, consisting of twenty-four priests and deacons. These were the councillors of the Bishop of Rome and the electors of his successors. That is how far papal elections go back!
Not elected like politicians … I can vote for a politicians but even though i am a Roman Catholic do not have the right to vote for the next pope..:biggrin:
(Edited by Nixer at 12:58 pm on April 21, 2005)
Not elected like politicians … I can vote for a politicians but even though i am a Roman Catholic do not have the right to vote for the next pope
Nixer
Presumably you can’t vote in Portugese elections either, but that doesn’t mean they’re not political elections.
To clarify my question (because I don’t think I knew what I was asking) do the electorate in the Papal elections simply choose the guy they think will represent the church best or do they look to find some sort of "chosen one" (god’s true candidate)?
Steve
I wouldn’t be 100% sure of the criteria they would use to vote the next pope. It would depend on the issues the cardinals felt needed to be addressed and who they felt would stand the best chance of addressing those issues. What the issues they see as being needed to be addressed i would not know but could , given the choice they have made, hazard a guess.
Regarding your original points the pope is not choosen because he is beleived to be either a blood decendant of St Peter nor the "choosen one" by God destined /pre ordained to be pope.
I still beleive a boy of 16 had no chance of standing against the Nazi regime. Lets remember he would have been even younger when the nazis came to power recruited him to the hittler youth/boy scouts and brain washed him. That period of his life has nothing to do with his deserving of,or not, of the papcy or his future ability to carry out the role. If anything you could argue that it would be of benefit to him in terms of life experience
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