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- June 14, 2025 at 15:21 #1733023
“My point about good to firm ground was only that he disappointed connections with his performance (at York) the only time he has encountered those conditions…….a coincidence”
Wouldn’t read top much into that, the 2000 Guineas looked an improved performance. He may get beat next week against a good horse or two as opposed to the ground.
Nothing the trainer has said here indicates a ground concern.
https://www.drf.com/news/charlie-appleby-courting-more-royal-ascot-glory
June 14, 2025 at 16:31 #1733027Unless there was another reason for the under performance at York (he was even money favourite to win the race) then you would have to think the ground could have played some part in it – Newmarket and all his other races were all run on officially good ground.
Just re-watched the replay of York again and watching him specifically, I did notice that the horse was carrying his head to one side (his right) in the finish, which sometimes can mean a horse is feeling the ground.
Just looked at Ascot website re ground and they missed the heavy rain (received 0.4mm) that was around and are currently watering the course, 10mm was put on the straight course today (with 10mm also done Thursday and Tuesday) with the round course to be watered tonight with a TBC amount but they did confirm the round course got 3mm on Thursday and Tuesday nights.
Officially they are still currently calling the ground good (good to firm in places).
June 17, 2025 at 16:27 #1733396“As I said above, so what if Ruling Court runs at Royal Ascot? There is every likelihood he will get beaten anyway, now that Field Of Gold has a jockey on his back.”
Told you so.

Genius decision to pull him out of The Derby.
June 19, 2025 at 13:08 #1733814‘Appleby didn’t run him because he couldn’t face him getting beaten.’
Really? You honestly think that?
I’d imagine they pulled the horse out because of ground concerns (real or imagined) to protect him from a potentially tough race which may have left a mark. Godolphin and Appleby are not overly scared/protective over getting one beat I don’t think. Of course, no one wants to see one beat but they’ve not exactly shirked over the years.
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