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On the steal ….not a very gracious post imo
But then again plain civility is rare nowadays
shame on you sir ….go straight to Betty blue and post there , at least they will welcome posts like this with open arms
Mare I second that in spades , in fact I will go further , Davies was extra good because there was a real cluster of top quality posters around at the same time , so he excelled , he was in his element
The same conditions do not apply now , most of them have given up and deserted this outpost
The question is why ??
Pinza on the other hand stood tall in a sea of mediocrity
Ricky
On the steal ….not a very gracious post imo
But then again plain civility is rare nowadays
shame on you sir ….go straight to Betty blue and post there , at least they will welcome posts like this with open arms
I thought OTS’s post the epitome of charm. Caring of the welfare of RedRum77. Helpful in the advice he evinced. RedRum77 is clearly missing Pinza. I am sure OTS only wanted him to understand he could enjoy a happy life without his paradigm at hand, but if he couldn’t, then
voila
, this is where he could be found.
"But then again plain civility is rare nowadays"
. I totally disagree. The vast majority of posters on this forum, if not necessarily in the world at large, are civil, kind and helpful. In fact, I can think of so few uncivil posters on the forum, that I could probably count them on the fingers of . . . . . . . well, two fingers.
Pinza did freely admit to being an elitist and a snob.
He forgot to mention that he could also be – despite his perceived wisdom and eloquence – quite an argumentative person and extremely patronizing.
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Red Rum – Get a life!.
If you miss the bloke, you’ll find him on twitter and his blog, apparently, that he hastily created specially for people like you. Better than the samaritans, eh?
Onthesteal, I’m no fan of Pinza, in fact I don’t know him from Adam. However I think he does have the right to argue whatever he’s passionate about.
Cormack let me rephrase my question, under what conditions do you ban someone?
I sometimes thought his moniker should have been something along the lines of Narcissus, however there is no doubt he could string a sentence or two together. As for his liking of Zarzuela, I certainly wouldn’t have wanted to sit next to him at a football match with that racket going on for 90 minutes.
Time to move on I think and if if you want to fawn at the feet of past Derby winners then as if by magic there is a place for you to do it.
They’ll be calling for lost sheep next.
Thanks for the link UM. Interesting reading, I’ll tell you what I think in a day or so. At the moment having one of those weeks/months where, just when you think nothing else can go wrong, the dog gets ill. Just got back from the vets! Red Rum. I think we know a forum where people get asked to leave if they are anything other than courteous and polite to each other, and being told to ‘get a life’ wouldn’t be tolerated!
Marginal Vaue,
I thought your response regarding the blessed Prof Empson was terrific value in a cut-em-dead-or-cut-one-dead sorta way. Pinza, I think, thought he had ‘Empsonian’ all to himself and the rest of us wondering
Onthesteal, I’m no fan of Pinza, in fact I don’t know him from Adam. However I think he does have the right to argue whatever he’s passionate about.
Fair enough, Rummy. Just glad you weren’t offended, as it wasn’t what I intended and never thought it’d come across that way either… Copped the customary
one in the neck
from the forum wasp for my pains, regardless, so we’ll leave it there!
Thanks for the link UM. Interesting reading, I’ll tell you what I think in a day or so. At the moment having one of those weeks/months where, just when you think nothing else can go wrong, the dog gets ill. Just got back from the vets! …
oh that’s alright moe, I wasn’t trying to change your opinion, just giving an alternative view. Internet personas can be quite befuddling I find, and I think in real life people can be quite different.
I’m sorry to hear about your dog being ill, I do hope it’s nothing serious. Mine was ill for a day with a tummy bug or somesuch – off his food – but back to normal now. He’s a retired Greyhound and is adapting well to domestication. A neighbour has a little dog that looks like a grey, fluffy bunny rabbit and we have to keep an eye on him with it.
^^^aaron – you made me roar! with that one…. [ sorry….
]Marginal Vaue,
I thought your response regarding the blessed Prof Empson was terrific value in a cut-em-dead-or-cut-one-dead sorta way. Pinza, I think, thought he had ‘Empsonian’ all to himself and the rest of us wondering
Thank you. Maybe I should quit while I’m ahead. This post is pretty heavy going.
To all readers: please skip over it if not interested in the affinity of Pinza and Empsonian analysis.
Sir William Empson was one of the most influential literary critics of the 20th century. He was also a poet and a very intellectual man. Most critics would be best remembered for what they said or wrote. Empson was most famous for what he did. He pored over any text he was studying in the greatest detail, looking for every nuance and possible meaning. He was perhaps notorious and noteworthy for the quantity of notes he took when working. His total poetic output numbered about 100 pages when it was brought together to be published in one volume after his death, but it had to be accompanied by over 300 pages of notes that he himself provided, so that any reader unfortunate to bear a lesser intellect than he would be able to understand the poems. One of Empson’s peers, Sir Frank Kermode, considered that “the avid annotator Empson, compared his poems to crossword puzzles, requiring clues towards understanding.” Another of his contemporaries thought that if Empson visited Kew Gardens he would spend all his time examining the text on the labels rather than look at the plants and trees.
Because he put so much effort into his studies, and perhaps because of a natural inclination, he was always sure that he was right, and always prepared to tell exactly that to anyone who would listen, and sometimes to those who did not want to listen. If he were alive today, Empson would be distraught that he would not be able to find literature with sufficiently high intellectual content to keep him in work. Authors these days have a greater tendency to write for the benefit of the reader rather than to enhance their reputations with the intellectual critics.
He loved the words, and the searching for nuance and meaning. I am not sure he achieved an advantage over a reader who understood only the simplest and most straightforward meaning of what was starkly written on the page. Especially when the reader had merely to read, while Empson had to work so hard to reveal many possible meanings and interpretations only to discover (as I said in an earlier post) that he found it so difficult to discern the “true” one.
Red Rum – Get a life!.
If you miss the bloke, you’ll find him on twitter and his blog, apparently, that he hastily created specially for people like you. Better than the samaritans, eh?
Onthesteal, I’m no fan of Pinza, in fact I don’t know him from Adam. However I think he does have the right to argue whatever he’s passionate about.
Cormack let me rephrase my question, under what conditions do you ban someone?
I see Cormack hasn’t answered my question, nor has Matron perhaps they just ban people on a whim.
Red Rum , I think Corm has spelled it out in fairness , some of us thought it harsh , others like the Steal merchant ….are enjoying it , sadly thats life
Shame some folk have no class
Ricky
Red Rum , I think Corm has spelled it out in fairness , some of us thought it harsh , others like the Steal merchant ….are enjoying it , sadly thats life
Shame some folk have no class
Ricky
Ricky,
I’ve heard a whisper cormack is on the case of deep sensation, not before time if you ask me
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