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Cormac,don’t misunderstand.Everything gets debated.That is the nature of man.Even the expulsion of Lucifer probably got debated up above.Don’t mean you are right, don’t mean you are wrong.That is just the nature of man.Incidentally you probably are right.After all as my kid brother used to say,"it’s my ball".But he always came back.He needed us just as we needed the ball.
Band of brothers we are.Drone – Davies was gone before my time.
I know ID was barred before you acquired TRF, but your opinion of him was clear before he left and even clearer afterwards
I have some sympathy for you having to deal with ‘difficult’ yet valuable contributors, and I for one wouldn’t fancy moderating a forum
So that’s that, as far as I’m concerned
things may come and things may go, but the art school dance goes on forever
Regarding dear old Pinza ( the man I looked upon as a cross between A.A Gill and Bertie Wooster
) : I too have noisy, pompous, arrogant and argumentative neighbours – some who come across as more articulate and intelligent than others, and like everyone to know it – and some whom I’ve had the occasional run-in with from time to time, I must confess. Nevertheless, I tend to view the bigger picture, however abstract that might be – and try hard to look at it from the life is too short perspective ( yes, folks, I’m that sort of guy
) ; hence why I feel predisposed to show a modicum of polite toleration towards them and move on…Needles and Pinza indeed !
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Some people love a bit of power.
Simple as that.
…and David Cormack ain’t one of them.
Whatever his motives for suspending Pinza, I’m damned wasn’t about exercising power.
Just an observation on Pinza’s final comments regarding Paul Struthers leaving the BA. Pinza objected to a specific thread on the subject, saying it was already covered by another more general thread. Bearing in mind this comes from someone who started 9 separate threads on the Whip Debate, his latest offering does strike me as a hypocritical post. Note that I choose my words advisedly here.
Pinza has been a good contributor to the Forum and put forward a strong argument against the new Whip Rules. However, he had been over zealous in a number of his replies, and the latest comment towards a moderator does suggest an attitude of ‘how many times can I kick the dog before it bites back.’
Rob
But Cormack, we DID enjoy the petty wrangling Pinza instigated.
Some weeks he was the only one who kept the forum alive – it goes through awful doldrums at times.
Ninety-nine per cent of his posts were written with mischief within them, and surely the trick was not to take the bait.
He drove poor old Steeplechasing to distraction recently, and eventually managed to hook even him. He was a master angler.
His expulsion looks petty and small, and does no credit to the forum.
But Cormack, we DID enjoy the petty wrangling Pinza instigated.
At risk of being accused of getting involved in petty wrangling(!), I didn’t!
I didn’t enjoy Pinza’s histrionic handwringing either. He turned from a knowledgeable if a little verbose poster at the beginning of the year to an implacable annoying one trick pony recently. We get it you don’t agree with the new whip rules.
It seems his only outlet for his impotence to do anything about it was this forum. Lucky us. Perhaps his time would have been better spent bombarding the BHA with complaints rather than posting the same point on here over and over again on an hourly basis.Suggesting that Cormack is on some sort of power trip is way off the mark Plenipotentiary, yes some of the more misanthropic posters of yesteryear have been banned, the ones mentioned on this thread Fist, TAPK and Mr Wilson all were warned on numerous occasions and turned up posting using different accounts etc all against forum rules and were eventually ditched.
So we don’t get tall stories form fist anymore, the man who referred to Enda Bolger as Edna and thought he was a woman no less, and yet was best mates with Fred Winter. Mr Wilson who ran off to his Mummy after he made such a fool of himself when he first started posting and said he would never come back again but kept turning up like a bad penny 5 minutes later posting more bilge on and on till he finally got banned. TAPK who kept arguing and arguing was given warning after warning before getting banned.
Some people on here who are harping on about how good the forum used to be can’t have been here if the 3 stooges mentioned above are paragons of the forum’s former quality.
Ian Davies seemed a good bloke who I enjoyed reading but eventually he ignored one too many of Craig’s repeated warnings and had to go.
There are lots of members from yesteryear that I’d like to hear from as a lot were genuinely involved in racing as owners etc. rather than crybaby whinging punters. If I wanted to listen to people who didn’t know one end of a horse from another who lost money betting I’d talk to myself.
I didn’t enjoy Pinza’s histrionic handwringing either. He turned from a knowledgeable if a little verbose poster at the beginning of the year to an implacable annoying one trick pony recently. We get it you don’t agree with the new whip rules.
It seems his only outlet for his impotence to do anything about it was this forum. Lucky us. Perhaps his time would have been better spent bombarding the BHA with complaints rather than posting the same point on here over and over again on an hourly basis.Suggesting that Cormack is on some sort of power trip is way off the mark Plenipotentiary, yes some of the more misanthropic posters of yesteryear have been banned, the ones mentioned on this thread Fist, TAPK and Mr Wilson all were warned on numerous occasions and turned up posting using different accounts etc all against forum rules and were eventually ditched.
So we don’t get tall stories form fist anymore, the man who referred to Enda Bolger as Edna and thought he was a woman no less, and yet was best mates with Fred Winter. Mr Wilson who ran off to his Mummy after he made such a fool of himself when he first started posting and said he would never come back again but kept turning up like a bad penny 5 minutes later posting more bilge on and on till he finally got banned. TAPK who kept arguing and arguing was given warning after warning before getting banned.
Some people on here who are harping on about how good the forum used to be can’t have been here if the 3 stooges mentioned above are paragons of the forum’s former quality.
Ian Davies seemed a good bloke who I enjoyed reading but eventually he ignored one too many of Craig’s repeated warnings and had to go.
There are lots of members from yesteryear that I’d like to hear from as a lot were genuinely involved in racing as owners etc. rather than crybaby whinging punters. If I wanted to listen to people who didn’t know one end of a horse from another who lost money betting I’d talk to myself.Kingfisher will be seething!
A difficult decision for the moderators.
He (I’m assuming it was a male) was a prolific poster and kept threads going when they were in danger of drying up. His posts were always extremely well-written and is obviously a very well educated and articulate individual.
On the other hand, he came across as incredibly self-opinionated, intimidating, patronising, and just downright arrogant!
I had the feeling that even if you agreed with him he would still found something to argue about. I realise that this forum is all about different opinions and debate, but I think Pinza just enjoyed the ‘winding up’ and causing confrontations. (Having said all that, I am in full agreement with him on the whip issue!)
Anyway, I for one hopefully will now be posting more on here without fear of having my spelling or grammar corrected!
I’m somewhat fresh faced here and as such, my contributions to and time spent on this forum are limited. But I may as well throw in my two cents.
I did have an encounter with Pinza on the subject of Frankie Dettori where he bypassed rational debate and went straight to accusing me of xenophobia. This pretty much quenched my desire to continue the discussion which is a clear example of stifling debate.
Since he didn’t know me, he wouldn’t have known that racism is for me the most deplorable of all isms. I wasn’t born in this country, I have a Bosnian girlfriend and I do not attach any national identity to myself. But the point is that he didn’t know me yet he still thought it appropriate to blatantly offend a new poster to the forum and new posters are what a forum depends on to survive in the long run.
I’m a thick skinned individual and the reason I didn’t post for a few months had nothing to do with Pinza rather I was busy with other things in my life and I’m not that interested in flat racing anyway. However, I can imagine that a fair few newcomers and prospective posters will have been put off by this kind of behaviour.
Nevertheless, Pinza wasn’t a one trick pony and I’ve seen for myself the aforementioned positive traits attributed to the fellow. He’s articulate, knowledgeable, charismatic yadda yadda yadda… and in many ways an asset to the forum. His presence wouldn’t put me off this place and has enhanced it several times. Furthermore, the restriction of free speech is something else which causes me to feel uneasy.
Even so, running and moderating a forum can be a challenging and testing "hobby" so I do not envy Cormack’s position. Also, he knows the real reason why Pinza was binned and furthermore, he is automatically vindicated in whatever decision he makes as it is after all, his forum. If anybody objects strongly enough then there are other places for one to voice one’s opinion.
Personally, I would’ve gone for a suspension before striking with the banhammer but that’s only my opinion and if I’m being completely honest, it’s a mild opinion because let’s face it… There’s a huge world out there beyond the politics of a niche internet forum.
this is so funny.
The pillock that is Pinza said to me on the "whipping it up" thread
"I’m afraid to tell you that I’m here to stay and fight for what I believe is right, as opposed to giving way to populist nonsense."
When I asked him where he was taking this fight (other than an internet forum) & who exactly he was he declined to answer.
It turns out he was nothing more than an internet warrior whose opinion was worth the same as everyone else is forum world ie NOTHING!
Does anyone know who this pathetic loser is?
I dislike censorship. I left the Betfair forum some time ago after contributing for three or four years, mainly because a very good poster was banned by the Betfair police after being maliciously ‘reported’ by someone over a post.
In David’s case here, he needs, I believe, to balance the openness of the forum against the following:
How much policing it takes
How discouraged some posters/potential posters might be over the behaviour of other posters
The overall integrity of the ‘brand’ – there are some well-informed people, industry insiders and some very good writers on TRF – any forum-owner would want to keep themIt’s not a straightforward censor-or-not decision for David, the effect of doing it/not doing it needs considering from a business viewpoint too.
It’s tempting to fire off criticism/approval, but none of us is in David’s position. Like all organisations, the decisions taken by those running them, will settle their fate.
Time will tell whether this ban was a good or bad idea for TRF.
Maybe we should have a pedants’ corner or a special place for trolls to hang out and argue with each other without affecting the main forum.
this is so funny.
The pillock that is Pinza said to me on the "whipping it up" thread
"I’m afraid to tell you that I’m here to stay and fight for what I believe is right, as opposed to giving way to populist nonsense."
When I asked him where he was taking this fight (other than an internet forum) & who exactly he was he declined to answer.
It turns out he was nothing more than an internet warrior whose opinion was worth the same as everyone else is forum world ie NOTHING!
Does anyone know who this pathetic loser is?
deep sensation
you were the pillock that criticised the ‘Whippin it up’ thread the moment i created it then dissapeared under your stone again the moment it took off!
Now you show your ugly head again slagging someone who could actually back their opinion up but cant defend themself against your cheap shot! You couldn’t lace Pinzas boots!the ones mentioned on this thread Fist, TAPK and Mr Wilson all were warned on numerous occasions and turned up posting using different accounts etc all against forum rules and were eventually ditched.
So we don’t get tall stories form fist anymore, the man who referred to Enda Bolger as Edna and thought he was a woman no less, and yet was best mates with Fred Winter. Mr Wilson who ran off to his Mummy after he made such a fool of himself when he first started posting and said he would never come back again but kept turning up like a bad penny 5 minutes later posting more bilge on and on till he finally got banned. TAPK who kept arguing and arguing was given warning after warning before getting banned.Kingfisher will be seething!
Mr Pilsen,how could i dissagree with Seven towers appraisal,its all true,every word,i’m still laughing now at how accurate he is about Mr Wilson!
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