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His comments regarding Gungadu were entirely reasonable and sensible from a handicapping point of view.
The idea that a trainer "knows" whether any of his horses will win is laughable . If anything they are probably too close to their horses and are less likely to be objective than the average punter.
Anyone following his advice blindly deserves everything they get.
So what are you saying aaron? he made it up?
the fuss about jackdaws today is somewhat different i think
anyway…they couldnt get that organised
thats about right tdk and he was hardly to know that Burntoak would run so poorly.
Anyone following his advice blindly deserves everything they get
I’d agree with that and it was a reminder to me about the proper weighting to give this particular factor when compiling a tissue
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Not surprised to see him play down Gungadu on Saturday either; Harry Findlays assertion that he wasn’t backing him was probably a clue also, considering he appears the type to bet on the proverbial two flies
I ask again….
why was there no movement in the market?
Clivex
I could no more answer that than you could tell me he didn’t back the horse.He was only commenting on things that were in the formbook in black and white.
If you made the horse a bet at 4-1 based on the form, then there was absolutely no reason to change that view based on Nicholls comments. If he had said it had missed work or hadn’t sparkled at home that might be different.
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His comments regarding Gungadu were entirely reasonable and sensible from a handicapping point of view.
The idea that a trainer "knows" whether any of his horses will win is laughable . If anything they are probably too close to their horses and are less likely to be objective than the average punter.
Anyone following his advice blindly deserves everything they get.
It is also laughable to suppose a trainer of his calibre, and the number of informed advisors he can call upon, doesn’t know the time of day enough to know when a horse is improving, and capable of outstripping the handicapper’s attentions.
The horse isn’t improving imo. He was probably fortunate to get the better of a fully exposed chaser like Kelami.
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The horse isn’t improving imo. He was probably fortunate to get the better of a fully exposed chaser like Kelami.
And the more he regresses the luckier he gets?
I like Nicholls and appreciate his customary willingness to convey his thoughts to the public, be it on TV or in the press. However, I treat his words in the same manner I do all trainers/jockeys/owners: throwaway – occasionally interesting – entertainment that I won’t allow to influence my appraisal of a horse or race one jot. Infact from a ‘value’ point of view I much prefer it when I’m in complete disagreement.
Allowing third party opinion – particularly from those close to a horse – to influence your bets only results in dark thoughts about being ‘put away’ when a horse runs in a manner ‘they’ don’t expect, or a dissatisfaction that it’s not down to your sharp mind, and yours alone when ‘they’ supply a winning bet.
Blame only yourself, congratulate only yourself.
OK clivex, imagine the trainer of the Gold Cup favourite telling the public that the horse had a suspected sprained fetlock which sees that horse go from nearly odds on to 11/2 in places and then when someone qualified looks at it sometime later they say hang on its only an infection ( in this time there is a reported 3-4 hundred thousand traded on the exchanges alone possibly due to this news. )
Imagine the furore on here if the master at Jackdaws did a similar thing. Wait a minute…..
That’s probably the most ridiculous post I’ve seen in my time here..
Trainers thoughts and comments are really useful …but rarely in regular columns such as PFN on Saturday. Comments immediately after the race when spirits and emotions are high/low are usually more illuminating.
As ever I think Drone is the voice of reason. It was probably harsh of me to single out Nicholls but there a plenty of people that take trainer interviews as gospel. I sort of agree with TDK that anyone that takes such comments at face value to deserve everything we get, but equally when Paul Blockley comes on before a race and gets uppity with Robert Cooper ‘Come on, you tell me what is going to beat him’ before his horse Magic Amour drifted like a barge, was slowly away and ridden with little enterprise when getting turned over then it leaves a bit of a sour taste.
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Not surprised to see him play down Gungadu on Saturday either; Harry Findlays assertion that he wasn’t backing him was probably a clue also, considering he appears the type to bet on the proverbial two fliesI ask again….
why was there no movement in the market?
Clivex
I could no more answer that than you could tell me he didn’t back the horseso you dont think that findlays usual weight of money and more importantly his connection, would have altered the price?
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so you dont think that findlays usual weight of money and more importantly his connection, would have altered the price?
Certainly, if he adopted his sometimes bull-at-a-gate approach, but would he have done that anyway, after publicly stating he wasn’t backing it?
Let’s hear it for jilly, ladies and gentlemen, who has again made a stunningly insightful contribution (I’m sure I left my tongue around here somewhere, perhaps it’s in my cheek…).
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