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Gosh, why are you asking me – I’m no expert. I’ll try to come up with an answer this afternoon.
Haha of course he will.
I’m always wary of taking other peoples times literally. However, according to all these times available to us Overdose has improved by 4 seconds over the minimum distance since his first recorded win in Budapest.
I just cant understand why he is 3/1. Is it purely because the bookies think he’ll go for the Golden Jubilee only, Gerald?
They would be making a big mistake if they missed the King’s Stand. That race has proved rich pickings for foreign raiders (5 of the last 6) whereas the Golden Jubilee prize usually stays at home despite us being told year after year that our sprinters are substandard, and are there for the taking.
Sorry, I’ve been diverted by a couple of other things. I’ll get a couple of hours kip, and then do my Overdose/King’s Stand research.
In the meantime . . .
Can anyone tell me what anti-doping programmes are in place in Hungary?
. . . after seeing the muscles on Choisir a few years ago, I’d like to ask the question
Can anyone tell me what anti-doping programmes are in place in Australia?
Okay Halfway, I haven’t finished my research – in fact I’ve only spent half an hour or so on it. However, I thought I had better do a posting, in case people thought I was a bullshitter.
First of all, can you name off the top of your head a horse that Overdose has beaten?
These are Overdose’s times since May 08.
19/04/09 5f 54.60 Good
16/11/08 6f 70.00 Heavy
31/08/08 6f 68.21 Good
05/07/08 6f 72.19 Soft
01/06/08 6f 70.09 Good
18/05/08 6f 68.92 GoodSome of these times look impressive, but we have to remember that 5f really means 1000 metres and 6f really means 1200 metres.
100m = 109.36 yds
1000m = 1093.6 ydsSo 1000 metres is 6.4 yds short of 5f, which is about 19 feet, which is about 2 lengths, which is about 1/3 second.
Secondly, how is the timing done on the continent? In this country, it is done from when the stalls begin to open. In the USA I believe that the stalls are placed a few feet behind the official start line, and the horses break a beam after a couple of strides to set off the timing mechanism, so the horses are close(r) to full stretch when the timer begins. Which method is used in the various countries in Europe?In Britain the 2007 Nunthorpe on Good ground was run in 58.14, and in 2003 (Oasis Dream, Choisir, Airwave, Zipping, Bahamian Pirate, Continent) the July Cup on Gd to Fm ground was run in 69.94
So when we see times like 54.60 for 5f, or 68.2 for 6f, we are mightily impressed.
However, let us put these times in their own context.
Goldene Peitsche
2008 68.21 Good (Overdose)
2007 69.04 Good
2006 71.76 Soft
2005 67.94 Good
2004 69.47 Soft
2003 68.12 Good
2002 71.27 Soft
2001 68.34 Good
2000 69.40 Good
1999 68.97 GoodSo, Overdose’s time was only the 3rd quickest in that 10 year period, and this is only a Group 2 race. Of course, what we really need to do is hope that the races on the card are the same every year, get hold of all the results, form pars for the various races, and then produce going allowances for each year.
I think quite a lot of people have seen Overdose’s victory in Italy.
Aloisi / Umbria
2008 70.00 Heavy Overdose
2007 69.20 Soft
2006 68.00 Good
2005 70.40 Heavy
2004 69.90 Soft
2003 69.20 Gd to Sft
2002 71.00 Gd to Sft
2001 69.60 Very Soft
2000 71.90 Very Soft
1999 71.70 HeavyI’m not too sure that this is saying too much. Overdose’s time is fairly quick for the going, but not outstandingly so. Again, remember that this is only a Group 3 race.
These are the times for l’Abbaye. I’m only really listing them because I’ve collated them.
l’Abbaye
2008 54.40 Gd to Sft Marchand D’Or
2007 56.70 Gd to Sft
2006 54.80 Good
2005 56.90 Gd to Sft
2004 55.00 Good
2003 59.30 Holding
2002 57.20 Good
2001 60.30 Holding
2000 55.10 Good
1999 61.40 HeavyOkay, I know Overdose has been impressive, but he hasn’t beaten anything. I am very wary of people suggesting that he will run faster when challenged. Also, will he like it up him? Marchand D’Or for example doesn’t like to be crowded.
He could well win, and he could do the Double, but I don’t see a case for making him Evens or whatever.
I haven’t really got around to looking at the challengers, and I’m not sure when I will. I like Fleeting Spirit, Kingsgate Native, Sir Gerry and Art Connoisseur, and those are just some of the British challengers.
Very interesting reading Gerald – certainly worth considering when he runs against potentially the best sprinters in the UK.
Would say that Overdose has done it already though and some of those 3yos and 4yos are at best in and out performers.
Will likely be given more to do by foreign raiders such as Scenic Blast and JJ The Jet Plane.
Sorry, I’ve been diverted by a couple of other things. I’ll get a couple of hours kip, and then do my Overdose/King’s Stand research.
In the meantime . . .
Can anyone tell me what anti-doping programmes are in place in Hungary?
. . . after seeing the muscles on Choisir a few years ago, I’d like to ask the question
Can anyone tell me what anti-doping programmes are in place in Australia?
Exactly Gerald. It was the mention of Takeover Target earlier in the thread which made me think about this in relation to Overdose.
Interesting times.
I’m not in a position to comment on the void race, so I am just ignoring it Martin – so from my perspective Overdose hasn’t done it already.
Takeover Target has captured yet another Group 1, this time the 1200m Goodwood at Morphettville, Adelaide.
Good to see Jay Ford back in the saddle.
See the race here:
http://world-horse-racing.blogspot.com/ … dwood.htmlCant wait for the Budapest Bullet to turn up here in a few weeks for his run in the Temple Stakes.
I just hope the new owners don’t interfere with the plans too much – they’ve already decided against going to Amanda Perretts stable, but from what I heard on Friday, the plan of action will stay as before. Just gutted that when he runs at Haydock, I’ll be in Baden-Baden!
Darren – AngloGerman
________________________________________‘The Hungarian’s going hell for leather’ – Jim McGrath
According to reports today he is looking a wee bit doubtful.
http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-ra … 83999/top/
I do remember thinking to myself after seeing his last win that he hopefully has no repercussions from running on that ground. Whether that has anything to do with it is neither here nor there but a shame anyway if he doesn’t make it to Haydock.
The ante post market is a bit dodgey at the minute. I’ll think i’ll give it a swerve until things become more clearer.
Not only will the Budapest Bullet not be at Haydock on Saturday, but I’ve just heard that he’s going to miss Royal Ascot as well!! His next race may be the July Cup.
Darren – AngloGerman
________________________________________‘The Hungarian’s going hell for leather’ – Jim McGrath
Overdose is going to miss Royal Ascot for sure. His owner Mikóczy Zoltán announced it yesterday:
http://www.overdoseonline.hu/It’s in Hungarian, it says there’s no chance to prepare Overdose for Royal Ascot because of his injured hoof, so he’s going to miss the race for sure
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Kind of wierd report that about an injured hoof. I thought he had an injured leg and the hoof was only damaged when his shoe got torn off.
My understanding is a French Vet who did the same for Marchand Dor is rebuilding part of the hoof with a special glue and shoed him on Wednesday.
Maybe you can enlighten us with a bit more detail if you here anything?
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