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No in ACTUALITY he DIDN’T, so 1-0 to you in the pedantic stakes
Me, I prefer to interpret things.Keep reading Mordin you’ll find he takes a similar approach himself.
My time is adjusted for the easing down.
Bulwark where did you get those jockey reports from? I have it as good myself.
From the BBC coverage’s interviews on the day, and looking at all the races and and how they panned out, that made quite a bit of sense IMO.
Firm ground at Longchamp in October? None of the winning times when compared to previous years suggest firm ground. I will concede the 5f time was wind assisted.
Anyway this is getting way off track now. Look forward to seeing a genuine Group 1 sprinting horse at Haydock even if he is no betting prospect.
Firm ground at Longchamp in October? None of the winning times when compared to previous years suggest firm ground. I will concede the 5f time was wind assisted.
I didnt say it was firm, I said firm with a lose top surface, the bbc reported that the rain which had been forecast had passed. Look at the 2yo fillies race as an example, at 1 mile which is effectively a staying race for 2yos, a strong pace and a fast time, yet by my recollection the first 3 had been ridden prominently, like wise Naqoos led from start to finish in a decent time, on gd-sft (as was described in the racing post), those races in those times wouldnt have panned out like that.
Also, I may be mistaken but didnt Pientre Celebre actually win on fast ground at longchamp in october?
I agree though back to the subject at hand.
It is a good chance that he will now run in the Temple Stakes so i cannot wait for this.
About time Haydock had a quality flat horse running on it.
Overdose is the Hungarian Seabicuit.
With a third of the nation watching on television, this horse’s exploits are giving the country’s citizens a real morale booster.
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Just to add to the pedantry
:Indigenous holds the British 5f record at 53.6 secs (Epsom, 1960), which equates to 53.28 secs over the slightly shorter 1,000 metres.
Has anyone heard any comments from Soumillon after this race? I always like to hear jockey comments after being first time aboard…
I know you cannot compare ability wise with the Brigadier but in terms of the unbeaten record has any horse surpassed 15 since 1972?
Being half Hungarian myself, I’m very proud to see the impact Overdose is having on the racing scene. You can tell that he’s a horse who just loves to race and get on with it.
*waves the Overdose flag*
I know you cannot compare ability wise with the Brigadier but in terms of the unbeaten record has any horse surpassed 15 since 1972?
I remember going to York in the late 1980s (I think) to see a horse called Timeless Times who won an absolute hatful before being beaten and I think stablemate Provideo had a similar record. Not quite sure how many they won though.
I heard recently that a horse in the US called Peppers Pride won its first 19 races in a row, and I’ve just remembered the Hong Kong superstar Silent Witness – I think that won 18 on the bounce.
Darren – AngloGerman
________________________________________‘The Hungarian’s going hell for leather’ – Jim McGrath
Intersting news – apparently, for his UK campaign, Overdose is going to be based in Pulborough, West Sussex – is Amanda Perrett going to be looking after him maybe?
Darren – AngloGerman
________________________________________‘The Hungarian’s going hell for leather’ – Jim McGrath
Hi
I’ve been meaning to drag up the l’Abbaye thread for the last few months, to add my story for a laugh. I hope its okay if I put it here.
I’ve only been to Longchamp just over half-a-dozen times, but the place I like to hang out is the terrace overlooking the saddling boxes and the parade ring.
Coming back from watching the 1er race in the Grandstand, there was a ferocious wind. As I did my coat up etc there was a woman doing the same, and we smiled at each other. She looked like she had come alive from a pre-Raphaelite painting, having long red hair, and wearing a long blue coat and a green scarf. (Okay, so there probably ain’t many coats or scarves in PRB paintings.)
We intermittedly started chatting to each other. She had a camera with her, and was taking pictures of the horses for her private collection, so I stayed out of her way whilst she was doing that.
I remember Overdose being the first into the paddock, and heard a commotion as apparently he kicked someone on the way out to the racetrack. Don’t know the full story.
I watched the race with her on the big screen on the terrace, as I didn’t think there would be much of a view of the 1000m course from the Grandstand.
The thing is, we were still chatting with each other as the race unfolded. When they showed the close up of Fleeting Spirit in the stalls, I just assumed she had planted herself. When they showed the close up of Marchand D’Or , I assumed he was pulling up because there was something wrong with him. I then became confused, because I could understand why Overdose was a few lengths clear of the 2nd & 3rd, but I couldn’t understand how come they were clear of the remainder. Meanwhile, the lady was cheering on Overdose, because she had backed him.
At this stage, a very angry man turned round to us and said: "Haven’t you been watching the race – it is a void race." I went very silent, and was red and embarrassed. What I should have done was instantly reply "No, I’ve been chatting with this beautiful woman."
Anyway, later in the afternoon I was chatting with another couple of ladies in the Grandstand. One of them said that the l’Abbaye would be run at the end of the card. I didn’t give this any credit, and thought it was a false rumour. How can you re-run a Group 1 when a large portion of the field had already completed the couse? I thought the rule still applied that when a horse passes the post in a false start, it is automatically a non-runner. Even so, how can you expect a proper race, with some of the horses running twice in an afternoon. Okay, I know originally 4 mile races were run in heats, so presumably horses of old used to race more than once a day. The other thing was I had been at Longchamp the previous day as well, and thought it would be virtually dark by then.
After the Arabian horses left the paddock for their race, I returned to the car, where my mate was already snoozing away before he drove us back to Calais. I tried joining him in a snooze, but I wasn’t very good at it. Quite a while later, I saw some horses pulling up to the left of us, at the point where the horses leave the course, and return to the Paddock. I thought "Hey! That’s Captain Gerrard!" It was only then that I realised that the story about the l’Abbaye being re-run at the end of the card was true.
The funny thing is, our car was parked about 50m from the 200m marker, so if I had happened to have glanced to the right, I would have got a fairly good view as the race unfolded.
I was really glad that I hadn’t seen the re-run, as I didn’t believe that it was a proper race, with any merit.
I recorded the racing on DVD, but never looked at it, as I was still embarrassed at that bloke shouting at me, and I didn’t want to be reminded of it. I’ll try watching it on Temple Stakes day, as that is my birthday.
When Christophe is retained to a genuine superstar, his performance shoots through the roof.
I don’t see him being troubled by neither a Hongkonger or an Australian. I really don’t
In English, does that mean you think the horse flatters the jockey, and you don’t think Overdose has anything to fear from a southern hemisphere sprinter?
Not necessarily flattered, no.
I don’t think Overdose has much to fear from Takeover Target.
But there’s no conclusive evidence yet that Overdose will perform against "real" sprinters. The l’Abbaye aside, he’s only raced against donkeys (for want of a better word).
An article from one of our media outlets suggests the Overdose connections have shown interest to run in Australia over the Spring Racing Carnival.
Here are some news that might be interesting for you, sorry for my English not that good, but I hope it’s understandable:-)
According to the latest news and reliable Hungarian sources, the official time of Overdose was 54.6 sec on Sunday.
What about last year’s Prix de l’Abbaye, maybe Overdose and Marchand d’Or had more or less the same time but remember that Overdose ran the last 150-200 m held back because Suborics noticed that something was wrong and other horses stopped. So he didn’t give the maximum at all. And on Sunday he didn’t give the maximum again.It’s interesting that Overdose lost his horseshoe during the race on Sunday. I know he had a problem with his hoof the latest weeks, I don’t know if there’s a connection.
Soumillon said after Sunday’s race: "The horse is at 60% of his condition at the moment and gave only 70% of this 60% today. There was no point to make him run at the maximum, actually, it wasn’t the main race of the year. I enjoyed racing here today, I think everybody could see it. I’d like to thank the crowd for the warm welcome, it gave me great pleasure. Overdose can become a champion that the whole country would like him to be. I’d like to reach a speed with him that no jockey ever has been able to reach so far."
The owner Mikóczy said: "If I try to be realistic, it’s kind a dream for Overdose to remain unbeatable this season in all these big races, but we are working to make this dream come true."Overdose program for this season ( it can have some changes of course):
04.19. Kincsem Park
05.23. Haydock Park – Tample Stakes
06.16. Ascot – King’s Stand Stakes
06.20. Ascot – Golden Jubilee Stakes
07.10. Newmarket – July Cup
08.30. Baden-Baden – Goldene Peitsche
10.04. Longchamp (Paris) – Prix de l’Abbaye
or Nakajama (Japan) – Sprinters Stakes
11.07. Santa Anita (California) – Breeders Cup
or Flemington Park (Melbourne) – P. Farm Classic
12.13. Sha Tin (Hong Kong) – Hong Kong SprintA month between the l’Abbaye/Sprinters and the Patinack Farm Classic?
I don’t think the quarantine periods will find Overdose in Melbourne on time.
And how do people come up with Flemington Park? It’s simply called "Flemington" by my accounts. I’ve read this elongated name a few times in the past.
Can’t see it mentioned elsewhere on this thread, so for those interested, the official Overdose fanclub page is http://www.overdoseonline.hu
Lovely website. Go Dozi!
Me, I prefer to interpret things.
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