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Thanks cassano, welcome to the forum.
Article and decent pic here…..
Thanks very much, cassano, for the really interesting information.
And thanks, cavalino, for the link. So many fascinating strands to the Overdose story – his price, his purchase almost by chance, the comparison with Seabiscuit, etc., etc.
Am I right in thinking that Soumillon doesn’t do his flying dismounts as regularly as Dettori? Just as he was with Dalakhani and Zarkava, he must be over the moon to be associated with such a horse.
May Overdose rule this summer!
Hand times off Youtube is probably not the best way to go collecting such data, but it suggests Overdose’s winning time was closer to 55 secs.
Hand times off Youtube is probably not the best way to go collecting such data, but it suggests Overdose’s winning time was closer to 55 secs.
Yes, that’s true. This is why I told that "according to some newspapers" he got 52.6. According to other people only 54.4. Well, also 54.4 is not that bad at all. Anyway, I’m really curious to see him now against the big boys from England, Australia, Hongkong etc. because horse experts here in Hungary are so happy now, they might exagerrate on his real chances. I really don’t know. Ascot will give the answer about Overdose.
When Christophe is retained to a genuine superstar, his performance shoots through the roof.
I don’t see him being troubled by neither a Hongkonger or an Australian. I really don’t.
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What price did he go off at yesterday?!
When Christophe is retained to a genuine superstar, his performance shoots through the roof.
I don’t see him being troubled by neither a Hongkonger or an Australian. I really don’t
In English, does that mean you think the horse flatters the jockey, and you don’t think Overdose has anything to fear from a southern hemisphere sprinter?
Just out of curioisity, I know Overdose is a decent animal, and I dont think many would disagree but does anyone seriously consider him to be a decent betting prospect for the season ahead?
Personally I think this is the most talked about foreign horse to come over for sometime, the racing post ran a story on their website covering his win yesterday. Almost every punter in the country seems to be waiting for him to do something big this season.
What he showed at longchamp last season was a decent performance, however does it justify the actual price he is likely to be when he does come over. He’ll be an unbackable price at haydock and if he wins there then he’ll be unbackable at ascot.
Think I’ll probably keep an eye on Chapple-Hyams horse Sayif in the big sprints this year for a betting prospect, but will be watching Overdose with some interest, at the minute though its very hard to see me backing him.
What he showed at longchamp last season was a decent performance
He broke the track record that day and ran 0.4 secs faster than Marchand D’Or did in the rerun.
Agree he’s a big public horse now and will never be value at Haydock or Ascot if he wins, but from a sporting point of view its a great story and very much something to look forward to.
Agree with Bulwark – the prices will be more Deep Impact than Choisir due to the hype. That said, its a great story and i’d like to see him carry all before him after such bad fortune on Arc day.
He broke the track record that day and ran 0.4 secs faster than Marchand D’Or did in the rerun.
IMO thats what he will mainly be priced up on.
That may be somewhat misleading though, as the jockeys reported the ground as being quite firm, with a lose top surface at longchamp, and quite a few of the times that day were fast (the abbaye isnt often run on a surface as good as that so its not that inconcievable that a track record could be beaten that day). Also, marchand d’or is at his best with plenty of cut (and like you say MD’O was only 0.4 secs slower), also by my recollection a few of those that ran the full distance on the first running, werent far away on the second running, so I suspect that once overdose was removed it wasnt a great race by any standards.
Dont get me wrong I think he’s an excellent looking horse and a very exciting prospect for this coming year, but ascot is a very different kettle of fish to longchamp and at what is his likely price he has to be taken on IMO.
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He broke the track record that day and ran 0.4 secs faster than Marchand D’Or did in the rerun.
Where did you get that time from? On the youtube video showing both races alongside each other, Overdose and Marchand D’or seemed to cross the line in unison.
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So did Nick Mordin, and he concluded that Overdose ran between 5 and 9 hundreths of a second SLOWER.
CLOCK SAYS OVERDOSE WAS ROBBED
I have no doubt that the Hungarian star OVERDOSE (44) would have won this year’s Prix de l’Abbaye de Longchamp if Fleeting Spirit’s stall had opened and a false start had not been declared. What makes me so confident of this are the Youtube videos of his win in the voided race and that of MARCHAND D’OR (43) in the re-run version later in the day.
Clock both videos accurately with a stopwatch and you’ll find that Overdose ran between five and nine hundredths of a second slower (it’s impossible to be any more precise).
What makes this amazing is that Overdose had no company for the last furlong and a half and was eased in the closing stages by his jockey. His jockey had no need to use any of his mount’s energy that he’d clearly saved to see off a late challenge.
Marchand D’Or on the other hand was in a full out drive all the way to the line. And he was racing on ground that may well have dried out at least a little in the intervening three and a half hours following the overnight rain.
If a false start hadn’t been declared Moorehouse Lad would surely have pushed Overdose all the way and Marchand D’Or would have been there to challenge him in the closing stages. He would have had something to race against all the way to the line.
Do all these factors add up to more than the five to nine hundredths of a second difference between the times clocked by Overdose and Marchand D’Or? If you have any doubt take a look at the performance of STRIKE UP THE BAND (39) in both races. He ran second to Overdose in the voided race, beaten three and a quarter lengths. He was fourth in the re-run version, only three lengths behind Marchand D’Or despite his earlier exertions. In fact all the horses that completed the course in both races were beaten further by Overdose than they were by Marchand D’Or. And remember, Marchand D’Or was pulled up in the voided race after little more than a furlong. As a result he was fresher than any of his rivals for the re-run.
It will be interesting to see if all this talk of overdose causes the bookies to release an antepost market for the ascot sprints somewhat earlier than usual this year.
My time is adjusted for the easing down.
Bulwark where did you get those jockey reports from? I have it as good myself.
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So in actuality he DIDN’T break the track record that day and DIDN’T run 0.4 secs faster than Marchand D’Or did in the rerun.
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