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When I first read this thread I thought "why is he bothering to tell us all he is no longer interested in racing – why not just stop posting?" – but then he reminded me of my Grandad so I am glad he did it now!
Aw, that’s nice
I’m in Sarajevo (ljubav jedina!) at the moment and whenever I’m over here, I gorge on two foods not readily available in Old Blighty. The first is a local dish called "krompiruša" which is basically potato and onion pie. The second is "prženo seme bundeve" which is quite literally roasted pumpkin seeds.
I adore both but for snacking, I eat sackfuls of the seeds and I eat them with the shell in tact. The seed itself is delicious but the shell is like a pure fibrous coating which is fantastic for cleaning out the intestinal tract. Whenever I return "home", I am satisfied that my prostate is as healthy as any in England.
Now my digestive system is not used to processing them during the first week so for several days, whenever I go to the toilet, I’m usually sat on it for a good half hour at a time spraying out this unpleasant, pungent, mildly irritating, almost perpetual stream of lumpy keister gravy.
That is what this thread reminds me of.
Funniest post of the year!!!!
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
Prof, see that Mayan calendar you bought last year – for the love of God, bin it !
Gambling Only Pays When You're Winning
Some people are lucky punters and some are not.
Wrong. Some people are good punters and others are bad. You just happen to be one of the bad ones. You continually moan, berate your luck, cast aspersions on others honesty to make out you are unlucky when the truth is you haven’t a clue.
For example, the reactionaries and gentleman punters on this site often get tremendously worked up when people point out that racing contains an unfathomable, un-plumbable depth of concealed information. Every sane person who knows the game to any level knows that is true. No suggestion of criminality is meant by this. Concealed information IS the game itself.
Take racing memoirs. The first thing Charlie Brooks gets out of the way is that when he started training/owning he would sometimes arrive at a racecourse with a horse and find said horse was installed as favourite when he knew full well it had no chance of winning. No wrongdoing is suggested on his part at all. It’s the game. And etc. Yes, perhaps the game must be this way, but one cannot help feeling: a) it probably doesn’t have to be and b) it’s a shabby business in many ways.
Sorry, but that’s myopinion
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People exaggerate Prof, Charlie Brooks probably found his horse favourite and knew others had a better chance. Exaggerating that in to "no chance of winning" is artistic licence. Or is it Charlie hasn’t a clue anyway?
I see horses who should not be favourite most days of the week, nothing to with being a "shabby business", bookmakers and punters get things wrong from time to time.With more information in the racing press and form books more freely available through the internet – there’s less concealed information than there used to be. "Concealed information" to some is known information to a lot of us Prof. If you’re not going to buy the tools to do the job, then you’ve no chance.
Without the info many will believe it is impossible to decipher form. Very few races are "unfathomable" with the right tools. If you don’t use a good form book then results are going to come as a surprise to you. Not so long ago you moaned about Monbeg Dude winning at 25/1. Where as fact is the information was out there.
However, getting a form book is no guarantee of success. At first almost all new readers will find it impossible to show a profit. Some will give up. Some will persevere and find a way of evaluating form to be successful. Some will always be incapable of finding the right balance. A bad tradesman will blame his tools.
It is clear from the way you talk Prof, you may have good (lucky) runs now and again, but that is not "profit". Nobody doing well with their "investing" thinks the way you do.
Punters who believe there are a lot of horses deliberately not allowed to run their best – see outsiders winning as proof of this. Where as fact is those outsiders win the percentage of races their price suggests they should.
Value Is EverythingMuch of this is nonsense. Although a different gambling sphere, in poker, with the above attitude ; you’d get absolutely murdered.
Gambling has no place for self-acclaimed "bad luck" individuals who insist that rather than simply being not as good as they perceive themselves to be, that some other force outside their control is preventing their success.
You do have lucky gamblers ; in the sense that streaks do happen, and that some people can for an indefinite period of time run over expected value. Of course, those individuals are also usually the best in the sphere (and those that aren’t tend to fail later down the line). Tempermanet and the ability to make optimal decisions ignoring any sentiment or bad emotions is a skill in itself. Successfully gambling for a profession is far more than just "ability" (Whatever that means pertaining to the particular sphere) but extreme hard work and the absolute correct mentality.
Multi-table poker tournament regulars can expect hundreds, maybe even thousands of games without a big score, such is the player size and the close equity edges that are put to test regularly each tournament.
Much of the one liners above are flawed cliches, or sentences without any context ; thus being totally irrelevant.
For instance….
A complicated sport predicated on most of its followers losing money hand over fist most of the time is on a sticky wicket in an age of short attention span and instant gratifications.
You understand how competitive gambling works yes? The majority are supposed to lose, otherwise the system doesn’t really work ….
Four days of Cheltenham is too much.
Personally, i agree … however this has no relevance to anything else posted.
There is too much training in public. Maybe they should make card declarations: this horse is being trained today.
This doesn’t even mean anything. If you’re tired of hype, constant press releases and reports, don’t listen.
When a jockey says on television his mount ‘would have a chance’ it almost always means your bet is a dodo. I got in to the habit of finishing the sentence: yes, would have a chance if he was on a winnable mark/with conditions in his favour/not being trained for something else etc.
Ramblings of an irrational lunatic. It is still information with some value ; how you extract that value will help return on investments. If you’re getting into a habit like that, it explains why you aren’t good at gambling.
The Scoop6 is a cynical tax on the stupid which usually pays out to the rich.
Then don’t be stupid.
The Grand National should be abolished. Otherwise in time it will damage jump racing fatally.
Then go to Aintree with some wood and fire.
It’s a rich person’s sport financed largely by the poor being ripped off, one way or another.
It’s a rich persons sport with no money in it. Those who gamble unsuccessful choose to do so. Who complains about the stupid? How does it affect you? Unless you are stupid?
Wolverhampton is my favourite all-weather track.
And i enjoy chocolate biscuits and page 3 stunners.
Brighton’s a good day out, with great views.
You like a man in tight jeans. Good for you
The Classics are overrated, from a betting point of view.
This doesn’t mean much without any evidence. Forgive me if i ignore your magical hunches. Tell Merlin to know his place.
If you say: actually, I won’t have the bet, you will be disappointed a lot less than vice versa.
So you are implying you aren’t very good at this betting mode? Ok. What irrational trait will you see fit to attack next?
Hope this helps newbies.
Ha, the next time i find myself in a situation i will think "What would Professortrubshaw do"? I will then proceed to do the opposite. So perhaps yes, this newby has gained something from a list of text that could be a metaphor for poisoned baby food.
Charlie Brooks?
Anyway Ginger, re: your post above, good stuff but, as I’m sure you know there’s the longshot bias on outsiders if you’re intent on dealing with yesterday’s men in Camel Coats smoking Cohibas
Notwithstanding that, could I suggest you point your good friend the Professor here:
http://adrianmassey.no-ip.org/web1/odd/index.php
As far as I know still the most compendious free-to-view database crunching return at bookmakers’ SP-to-true chance; and much else
Aren’t all those %%%%%%%%%%% nice
When I first read this thread I thought "why is he bothering to tell us all he is no longer interested in racing – why not just stop posting?"
I’ll tell you why
HE LIKES AN AUDIENCE
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Goodie Goodie! Percentages!
Am I allowed to talk about them?
Please, please, please let me talk about them!Can I? Can I?!!!
Value Is EverythingGoodie Goodie! Percentages!
Am I allowed to talk about them?
Please, please, please let me talk about them!Can I? Can I?!!!
Ginger since you’ve brought up percentage. I’ve notice when I buy Saturday’s racing post to record pricewise tips for the competition currently be held, that small fields are below 100% for best prices.
The 3.05 at Cheltenham is just such an example. With best price percentage of 99. Which translate into layman’s terms that you win £100 for £99 betted. This £1 profit don’t sound a lot, but it is guranteed.
The runners were.
Zarkander 6/4 Corals
Rock on Ruby 9/4 Bf, Lad, PP
Grandouet 3/1 Corals
Mad Moore 100/1 Bv, Boyles, Corals
One Cool Shabra 100/1 Bv, boyles, corals
Red Riverman 150/1 corals
Minella Theatre 250/1 Bv, boyls, coralsDo you often find races like this and do you take advantage when you do?
Goodie Goodie! Percentages!
Am I allowed to talk about them?
Please, please, please let me talk about them!Can I? Can I?!!!
Ginger since you’ve brought up percentage. I’ve notice when I buy Saturday’s racing post to record pricewise tips for the competition currently be held, that small fields are below 100% for best prices.
The 3.05 at Cheltenham is just such an example. With best price percentage of 99. Which translate into layman’s terms that you win £100 for £99 betted. This £1 profit don’t sound a lot, but it is guranteed.
The runners were.
Zarkander 6/4 Corals
Rock on Ruby 9/4 Bf, Lad, PP
Grandouet 3/1 Corals
Mad Moore 100/1 Bv, Boyles, Corals
One Cool Shabra 100/1 Bv, boyles, corals
Red Riverman 150/1 corals
Minella Theatre 250/1 Bv, boyls, coralsDo you often find races like this and do you take advantage when you do?
Usually it is not a good idea to "take advantage" RR, because usually the "best prices" are with quite a few bookmakers. So by the time a punter takes three or four prices, one or more of the other best prices will probably have shortened – wrecking the concept.
When just two bookmakers are involved like the example above you could take a chance. Backing the one bet (Rock On Ruby) with BF or PP first. Then go to Corals and back the rest, making sure Corals will allow all bets before you accept the bet.
Have twice myself "taken advantage" of this type of situation. Wouldn’t bother for just the 1 point difference, but I remember the 2011 Eclipse So You Think v Workforce etc. Bet 365 were doing a promotion where they’d guarantee to give the best prices in the village for every runner at a certain time in the morning (believe it was 11am). Because the other bookies had quite differing odds – Bet 365 had to honour their guarantee by betting to 96%. The other time was also a So You Think race.
It’s not a good idea to do it too often, otherwise they’ll ban you.
Value Is EverythingGoodie Goodie! Percentages!
Am I allowed to talk about them?
Please, please, please let me talk about them!Can I? Can I?!!!
Ginger since you’ve brought up percentage. I’ve notice when I buy Saturday’s racing post to record pricewise tips for the competition currently be held, that small fields are below 100% for best prices.
The 3.05 at Cheltenham is just such an example. With best price percentage of 99. Which translate into layman’s terms that you win £100 for £99 betted. This £1 profit don’t sound a lot, but it is guranteed.
The runners were.
Zarkander 6/4 Corals
Rock on Ruby 9/4 Bf, Lad, PP
Grandouet 3/1 Corals
Mad Moore 100/1 Bv, Boyles, Corals
One Cool Shabra 100/1 Bv, boyles, corals
Red Riverman 150/1 corals
Minella Theatre 250/1 Bv, boyls, coralsDo you often find races like this and do you take advantage when you do?
Usually it is not a good idea to "take advantage" RR, because usually the "best prices" are with quite a few bookmakers. So by the time a punter takes three or four prices, one or more of the other best prices will probably have shortened – wrecking the concept.
When just two bookmakers are involved like the example above you could take a chance. Backing the one bet (Rock On Ruby) with BF or PP first. Then go to Corals and back the rest, making sure Corals will allow all bets before you accept the bet.
Have twice myself "taken advantage" of this type of situation. Wouldn’t bother for just the 1 point difference, but I remember the 2011 Eclipse So You Think v Workforce etc. Bet 365 were doing a promotion where they’d guarantee to give the best prices in the village for every runner at a certain time in the morning (believe it was 11am). Because the other bookies had quite differing odds – Bet 365 had to honour their guarantee by betting to 96%. The other time was also a So You Think race.
It’s not a good idea to do it too often, otherwise they’ll ban you.
Surely with the internet, you can place your bet with several bookies in a matter of seconds, or minutes even.
Surely with the internet, you can place your bet with several bookies in a matter of seconds, or minutes even.
I don’t get the Racing Post any more RR, how long are those odds in the Pricewise Box guaranteed for these days?
Value Is EverythingMuch of this is nonsense. Although a different gambling sphere, in poker, with the above attitude ; you’d get absolutely murdered.
Much of the one liners above are flawed cliches, or sentences without any context ; thus being totally irrelevant.
For instance….
A complicated sport predicated on most of its followers losing money hand over fist most of the time is on a sticky wicket in an age of short attention span and instant gratifications.
You understand how competitive gambling works yes? The majority are supposed to lose, otherwise the system doesn’t really work ….
Yes, the majority are supposed to lose. That’s what makes my assertion of the shabbiness of the sport unarguable. Let’s put it in another context. The loans business is shabby; the estate agent business is shabby. Yes, it must be that way BUT it is still shabby. You must understand that when someone makes an assertion about a business it is
no answer at all
to come bustling and read the riot act by saying well it has to be like that cos otherwise it would not exist. OBVIOUSLY that is the case.Four days of Cheltenham is too much.
Personally, i agree … however this has no relevance to anything else posted.
See name of thread.
There is too much training in public. Maybe they should make card declarations: this horse is being trained today.
This doesn’t even mean anything.
Yes it does. It means what it says. Today there will be a lot of horses that are being trained in public but presented to the markets as a genuine betting option. This is a con which is allowed to go on as a customary part of the ‘game’. Nonetheless it is a deception of the public. You know it is a con. It is no different to some wide boy playing find the lady with no queen on the table.
When a jockey says on television his mount ‘would have a chance’ it almost always means your bet is a dodo. I got in to the habit of finishing the sentence: yes, would have a chance if he was on a winnable mark/with conditions in his favour/not being trained for something else etc.
Ramblings of an irrational lunatic.
The voice of experience. I can promise you that when a jockey says that his horse is most unlikely to win. It is a connivance of the industry. You are saying something different from the point I am making. You are saying, well, it IS information if you choose to read it that way. Well, may be. My point is that if you’ve had a bet in the morning and your jockey says that on Channel 4 just before the off, you better see if you can lay off your investment. Which is not fun, which is a ball-ache. Another irritating element.
The Scoop6 is a cynical tax on the stupid which usually pays out to the rich.
Then don’t be stupid.
You seem to not have understood the title of this thread. It wasn’t ‘can you help me’, it was ‘other thoughts on packing the game in.’
It’s a rich person’s sport financed largely by the poor being ripped off, one way or another.
It’s a rich persons sport with no money in it. Those who gamble unsuccessful choose to do so. Who complains about the stupid? How does it affect you? Unless you are stupid?
There speaks the authentic voice of the turf. They probably said the same thing when children worked in wool mills.
When I first read this thread I thought "why is he bothering to tell us all he is no longer interested in racing – why not just stop posting?" – but then he reminded me of my Grandad so I am glad he did it now!
Aw, that’s nice
I’m in Sarajevo (ljubav jedina!) at the moment and whenever I’m over here, I gorge on two foods not readily available in Old Blighty. The first is a local dish called "krompiruša" which is basically potato and onion pie. The second is "prženo seme bundeve" which is quite literally roasted pumpkin seeds.
I adore both but for snacking, I eat sackfuls of the seeds and I eat them with the shell in tact. The seed itself is delicious but the shell is like a pure fibrous coating which is fantastic for cleaning out the intestinal tract. Whenever I return "home", I am satisfied that my prostate is as healthy as any in England.
Now my digestive system is not used to processing them during the first week so for several days, whenever I go to the toilet, I’m usually sat on it for a good half hour at a time spraying out this unpleasant, pungent, mildly irritating, almost perpetual stream of lumpy keister gravy.
That is what this thread reminds me of.
No argument, then. Just a **** metaphor. On your way, sonny.
Further thoughts: anyone who denies that the game revolves around concealed information should consider that there are LAWS about about what its practitioners can and can’t say! I mean
come on
Would also like to know why FOBT addicts are not considered on here as victims of their own stupidity, but people who lose at racing are.
???
The only explanation I can produce is that turf gamblers are smug and purblind.
Hmmm 2 things
This boy Bachelors can post good stuff , loved the humour in a slightly rude reply , quality as always
Prof dear boy , the game is clearly not for you , its no shame having tried and it just did not work out , loads of folks in the same boat , but less honest and forthcoming as your good self
best to walk away and come back in 6 months, slag all and sundry as being a bunch of opinionated oafs …..
Happy Christmas to all dross lovers , Bha , and others who will get both barrels next year , special greetings to the boy in Quatar and both the King of Sheep plus his side kick the TRF’s own answer to Gotham city Sheriff
Any chance of ATR closing down Santa !!!!!!
Ricky
Further thoughts: anyone who denies that the game revolves around concealed information should consider that there are LAWS about about what its practitioners can and can’t say! I mean
come on
Anyone who does not buy the tools can not expect to do the job well.
One mans "concealed information" is another mans known information.Value Is Everything
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