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Here we go again…..Big Johns got the Ante-Post fav for the St Leger in the Derby placed
Romsdal
at 5/1 but he’s also got the winner in
Eagle Top
at 8/1.However the big man made it crystal clear today the St Leger is not on todays Royal Ascot winners long range agenda.If Big Bad John had said ‘Eagle Top’ looks all over a Leger horse he’d be 2/1 fav now and yet to the rest of us he does just that.Bearing in mind Mr Johhny G has a terrible habit of saying one thing and doing the complete opposite I for one have decided 8/1
Eagle Top
is too big for a horse who would win Doncasters historical classic in a canter.Funnily enough both John and Lady Bamford have tasted Classic success so I’m of the opinion they will target the Leger particularly as Gosdens going for a 4th win in the past 7 years,there’s a pattern there!
Its quotes like the above that have earned me legendary status on here……….Words fail me having seen the St Leger Decs today.I am so shocked I just cant put it into words……Joni/Ginge.you need to explain this one because I just cant believe how Gosden gets away with it with you pair.
I expect warped drivel from Gord but disappointed to hear it from you Steve. I too have found nothing stating ET will be withdrawn. Perhaps you dreamt it.
As for him playing down the chances of Taghrooda in the Oaks well that is no different from any other trainer. He would have looked a complete fool if he had said that his twice-raced filly was going to hose up and she had then been beaten. Nothing at all odd there – it is what some people call not tempting fate.
I notice Gord you have not commented on my post about other trainers running more than one horse in a race. As usual it is fine when others do it but not JG. And now you are upset that he has given ET an entry. Why? He has to cover himself like any sensible trainer. If ET runs a staying on 4th on Saturday it will be a great decision. I dare say if the decs had come out AFTER the KG and ET had hosed up he would not have been entered but that hasn’t happened.
In the meantime I will continue to defend this fine man and brilliant trainer from this pitiful and uncalled for abuse even if I am the only one on the forum to do so.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
In the meantime I will continue to defend this fine man and brilliant trainer from this pitiful and uncalled for abuse even if I am the only one on the forum to do so.
Hardly abuse Joni,its merely stating facts,actual facts actually.Who was it that really did say He would have pulled
Kingman
out of the Irish 2000 gns had any other horse trod on the course his horse was running over? Who said there was half a dozen fillies capable of winning the Oaks 20 mins before his filly
Taghrooda
ran away with it? The same guy that said
Eagle Top
wouldn’t be running in the St Leger and yet enters him today,yep its Honest John Gosden,the very man who said
The Fugue
got beat in the Eclipse because the ground was too ‘Greasy’!
That very man who pulled the winter Ante-Post fav Taqleed
out of the Lincoln an hour before the race because the ground was too’Patchy’!
Even by your standards these pathetic quotes dont go down well with us punters,the guy blatantly misleads and is clearly in the sport of Kings for his own selfish reasons.If what came out of his mouth on a Racecourse was sewerage the Rowley mile would be a Rose garden but he wouldn’t come up smelling of them! I expect warped drivel from Gord but disappointed to hear it from you Steve. I too have found nothing stating ET will be withdrawn. Perhaps you dreamt it.
No, I just lied Joni. As I always do on this forum.
If you didn’t see it, it doesn’t or didn’t exist.
That is fine.
We know where we stand.
I have no credibility.
May you and Mr Gosden enjoy a happy marriage together.
He is infallible.
End of.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
I thought I heard something on ATR news about a rain dance or something for Eagle and Kingman as Kingman could run in France. It’s all encrypted code for turn the taps on.
Blackbeard to conquer the World
Hardly abuse Joni,its merely stating facts,actual facts actually.Who was it that really did say He would have pulled
Kingman
out of the Irish 2000 gns had any other horse trod on the course his horse was running over? Who said there was half a dozen fillies capable of winning the Oaks 20 mins before his filly
Taghrooda
ran away with it? The same guy that said
Eagle Top
wouldn’t be running in the St Leger and yet enters him today,yep its Honest John Gosden,the very man who said
The Fugue
got beat in the Eclipse because the ground was too ‘Greasy’!
Taqleed
out of the Lincoln an hour before the race because the ground was too’Patchy’!
Even by your standards these pathetic quotes dont go down well with us punters,the guy blatantly misleads and is clearly in the sport of Kings for his own selfish reasons.If what came out of his mouth on a Racecourse was sewerage the Rowley mile would be a Rose garden but he wouldn’t come up smelling of them! THIS is the one that really rankles with you and the whole reason for your animosity and for this thread. JG does nothing different from any other trainer and you know it.
Nath – would he be the first trainer to suggest a bit of watering? Just look at the size of the fields today on those tracks where there is firm in the description. You’ll see 3 runner races, 4 runner races, 5 runner races. Trainers don’t like running ANY horse on ground with what they call "jar" in it let alone top quality ones like Eagle Top or Kingman. Gosden is absolutely no different from any other top class trainer that has the interests of his horses way above the interests of some gung-ho ante-post punter with a Gosden complex.
Gord – You still haven’t answered my question about multiple runners because it would expose your stupidity even more. As for your comment about him being selfish – did you READ the Racing Post last weekend?!!! I doubt it very much as it might just have made you think twice. We’re lucky if you even think once before posting this juvenile and inane drivel!!!!
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
I expect warped drivel from Gord but disappointed to hear it from you Steve. I too have found nothing stating ET will be withdrawn. Perhaps you dreamt it.
No, I just lied Joni. As I always do on this forum.
If you didn’t see it, it doesn’t or didn’t exist.
That is fine.
We know where we stand.
I have no credibility.
May you and Mr Gosden enjoy a happy marriage together.
He is infallible.
End of.
A silly over-reaction Steve. You’re better than that. Where is the quote is all I’m asking.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
I cant believe for one minute Gosden will run 3 on Saturday,we’ll see!
More drivel – they all run. You really ARE a legend aren’t you Gord………in your own mirror.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
I expect warped drivel from Gord but disappointed to hear it from you Steve. I too have found nothing stating ET will be withdrawn. Perhaps you dreamt it.
No, I just lied Joni. As I always do on this forum.
If you didn’t see it, it doesn’t or didn’t exist.
That is fine.
We know where we stand.
I have no credibility.
May you and Mr Gosden enjoy a happy marriage together.
He is infallible.
End of.
A silly over-reaction Steve. You’re better than that. Where is the quote is all I’m asking.
No, I think you are over-reacting if anyone is Joni.
I have acknowledged what a great trainer John Gosden is and explained what it is that I find irritating about him.
You felt the need to accuse me of dreaming up a quote. As I have said, I double-checked it before I posted here. The internet is a big place and pages change rapidly. I have nothing to gain from inventing a statement. It is not a thread where anyone is right and anyone is wrong. It is all about opinions regarding an aspect of a trainer, a trainer who I think is one of the best in the business, but who gets on my nerves with constantly finding a reason why his horse might not win. I think the race that typified it best was, as TAPK said, The Irish 2000 G where the stable wanted some rain, then said there was too much rain and the horse might be pulled out, they then ran him and he absolutely hosed in without turning a hair, making the whole affair somewhat farcical.
You are clearly a passionate follower of John Gosden and as I have said, there is much to admire about the way he carries out his work. That doesn’t mean he is immune to criticism about other aspects of his personality though.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
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A silly over-reaction Steve. You’re better than that. Where is the quote is all I’m asking.
No, I think you are over-reacting if anyone is Joni.
I have acknowledged what a great trainer John Gosden is and explained what it is that I find irritating about him.
You felt the need to accuse me of dreaming up a quote. As I have said, I double-checked it before I posted here. The internet is a big place and pages change rapidly. I have nothing to gain from inventing a statement. It is not a thread where anyone is right and anyone is wrong. It is all about opinions regarding an aspect of a trainer, a trainer who I think is one of the best in the business, but who gets on my nerves with constantly finding a reason why his horse might not win. I think the race that typified it best was, as TAPK said, The Irish 2000 G where the stable wanted some rain, then said there was too much rain and the horse might be pulled out, they then ran him and he absolutely hosed in without turning a hair, making the whole affair somewhat farcical.
You are clearly a passionate follower of John Gosden and as I have said, there is much to admire about the way he carries out his work. That doesn’t mean he is immune to criticism about other aspects of his personality though.
ps This is from The Sporting Life website 12.30 Thursday 24th July:-
John Gosden plans to walk the course at Ascot on Friday before making a final decision on whether to let Eagle Top line up in the King George VI And Queen Elizabeth Stakes at Ascot on Saturday.
The three-year-old was a brilliant winner of the King Edward VII Stakes at the Royal meeting last month and was supplemented for this weekend’s Group One showpiece at a cost of £75,000 on Monday.
However, Gosden was hoping for rain ahead of the weekend and with the chances of any falling ahead of the race seemingly diminishing, he admits it is not yet certain Eagle Top will take his chance.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
The "perhaps you dreamt it" quote was supposed to be a bit of humour which I know you are not immune to. Steve – I was not accusing you of lying in fact my first question was a genuine "where did you read that?" as I hadn’t and it makes a big difference to the complexion of the race. Your latest quote was from today as you say.
Listen I have no problem with people expressing views or criticising people but this thread in my opinion goes way too far. You have told me why you don’t like him but none of you have told me why you don’t seem to mind other trainers doing exactly the same. Look at the amount of non-runners today ffs! Pretty much all on account of the ground. And yet none of these trainers will be singled out for abuse or be accused of being dishonest or selfish like John is on this thread. You are a shrewd judge and you know your onions so I know that you understand that trainers will sometimes withdraw horses if they think the ground is not right. That day you mention in Ireland there was a glut of late non-runners. John RAN his horse and yet people still moan because he dared express one or two reservations beforehand. Would you rather he say nothing like Aiden did when his string was infected with the virus back in April. How is that "helping the punters"???!!! Yet again this goes unanswered by the people accusing John.
I AM a big fan of him but no bigger than I am of Sir Michael or John Oxx or Dermot Weld or Andre Fabre or any of the elite trainers. I just will not let anyone be pilloried unfairly without sticking up for them.
At the end of the day this is not a thread about who will win a race or who is the best trainer or horse, this is a thread specifically set up to assassinate the character of one of our leading trainers. This forum is better than that and I doubt that many people even bother reading this stupid thread which is carried on mainly by a die-hard, bitter and twisted legend-in-his-own-household who had to give up his own thread because he was so embarrassed that he couldn’t pick a winner for toffee and someone with a bee in his bonnet who cannot let things lie. I accuse myself of that and I am guilty but I don’t care. For every post I feel is unwarranted I will defend John Gosden as I would any person, trainer or animal I feel is being unfairly picked on.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
We’ll leave it there Joni.
I definitely read something that was near identical to the statement made today,
before
I posted the original statement that there was talk about not running him on fast ground.
I am NOT psychic and I would have had to have been in order to anticipate today’s statement regarding Eagle Top.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Fair enough Stevie
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
Torrential rain at Ascot last half hour, so ground should now be OK for Eagle Top, but perhaps not for most of the others!
Feel sorry for anyone who’s backed the odds-on non-runner, but it’s hardly a surprise. When the
owner
already has a filly with by far the best chance of winning the Irish Oaks – Tarfasha is currently a top price of only 5/2 – why take her on? Taghrooda can not go for both races, they’re too close together. Why not go for an even better race with what could be an exceptional filly in Taghrooda? As Joni says, surely the decision to go for the King George should be applauded? It’s good for "British Racing".
Not sure why the Taghrooda switch is cluttering up this thread. It seems pretty likely that Gosden had little or no input in the final decision. I would have thought he would have wanted to take a more gradual approach possibly ending her career with a tilt at the Arc.
This story is not about Taghrooda running in the King George. Personally, I think she will win. It is the last minute decision by connections with no prior communication. I would like to hear from someone who backed her for the Irish Oaks who thinks it is great for the Ascot race that she isn’t bolting up in Ireland.
The other question I would like to know would be one for the trainer. Assuming Gosden hadn’t known about the switch presumably he had the filly peaked to run at the weekend. How easy is it to keep her at this level or get her to peak again for a more difficult target? Successful or not, I fear her season might effectively end in the King George.
I don’t think Pawneese won anything after her King George and you have to fear that it might be the same story with Taghrooda. Was it worth blowing the Arc chance to win a King George?
I think the King George should be moved to the 1st race of the day tomorrow incase these torrential thunderstorms arrive. Potential of 51 horses running before the King George would not be fair to these group 1 horses to run in such……. oh wait Cracksman wants it on the soft side. cough, cough, I think it would be a disgrace if Ascot can’t move the King George to the last race of the day to allow the rain to kick in
Signed Johnny G
Blackbeard to conquer the World
LOL..Trust you to resurrect this old Thread Nathan.
There was plenty of thunder and lightning last night but no rain, doubt we’ll even be seeing the Cracksman at this rate unless Johnny G has a hotline to Himself.
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