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There is something irritating about the way Gosden communicates these days…joyless and boring soundbites that I think are meant to come across as clever but sound smug,condescending and smart arsed instead……..they leave me less than cold….how about looking and sounding like you enjoy winning rather than trying to sound like you knew what was going to happen all along?
Looks like Johnny G is enjoying winning to me.
Gosden explains things.
Before
the race he explains what is known
before
the race.
After
the race he explains how the race went with everything that is
now
known
after
the race. Obviously there are differences between what is known before and after.
It’s not the same as a punter aftertiming WFTW.
Value Is EverythingHere we go again…..Big Johns got the Ante-Post fav for the St Leger in the Derby placed
Romsdal
at 5/1 but he’s also got the winner in
Eagle Top
at 8/1.However the big man made it crystal clear today the St Leger is not on todays Royal Ascot winners long range agenda.If Big Bad John had said ‘Eagle Top’ looks all over a Leger horse he’d be 2/1 fav now and yet to the rest of us he does just that.Bearing in mind Mr Johhny G has a terrible habit of saying one thing and doing the complete opposite I for one have decided 8/1
Eagle Top
is too big for a horse who would win Doncasters historical classic in a canter.Funnily enough both John and Lady Bamford have tasted Classic success so I’m of the opinion they will target the Leger particularly as Gosdens going for a 4th win in the past 7 years,there’s a pattern there!
I’m not so sure Gord. Remember Nathaniel? After winning the King Edward everyone screamed "Leger!" but JG said he was too quick for that race and he was proved right as Nathaniel became a 10f winner. This horse today looked the 2nd best middle distance 3 year old we have seen this year and stud values will dictate that, if at all possible, they’ll try and bag a middle distance Group 1 rather than a Leger.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
The only horse backed for the Eclipse
The Fugue
now 7/4fav ‘could miss the race’………Shock,gasp,horror! An everyday occurence when she’s trained by the worrier himself.The ground at Sandown has been on the soft side all week but soaring temps dried the ground to Gd/Frm yesterday and shock gasp horror thats just the ground She wants,alas Mr Gosden the eternal pessimist just has to throw the ‘doubt’ line in all because Andrew cooper has threatened to water.He’s a player on words is Johnny G………Imagine if it was to er…………Rain on watered ground!!
Sweaty palm time again for the Ante-Post supporters of this fine mare.Personally I like Kingston Hill
at 9/1…….Turn on the taps Andrew.
And some moan that aiden is too over the top. Godsen is a good trainer but at times doesn’t seem to know where to place his horses and gets surprised a lot by his horses. Like ballydoyle godsen is now running horses where it’s stud value would be enhanced and not necessarily what the horse would be best suited by. Get use to it john this is what happens when you are in the big league. The pressure on top trainers is immense and godsen is showing signs of the pressure aiden has been under for over ten years. Maybe he should employ a spokesman as should aiden then they wouldn’t be blamed when things don’t turn out as expected.
9/4 for The Fugue now after being 7/4 earlier
2.5mm of "selective watering" is planned for today.
I’ll just give Johnny G the "rubber lug" (deaf ear) and see how it pans out.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Here we go again. WHY the bloody hell is Cooper watering?
If there is one thing that drives me mad it is watering. The ground isn’t even firm FFS!!
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Yeah I agree the watering is definitely unnecessery considering the fact that it rained on the weekend and is set to rain this friday night/saturday too. Like Gord I like Kingston Hill now that it looks like he’s likely to run, 9/1 is way too big for a horse who finished just behind Australia on good ground in the derby. I think his class should prove him capable of handling the drop back in trip.
It’s all about whether The Fugue performs to the best of her abilities though, if she does she’ll win.
Been going back and forth about this race for the last few days and the more I look at it the less I want to bet. Will be at Sandown so unless I throw a few quid e/w on something on the day I won’t be trying my luck, not on the Eclipse anyway.
Why do they continue to water. The forecast is just that a forecast. Should it be good to firm then the likes of war command and probably night of thunder have a good chance of winning. It’s getting to the stage where I’m beginning to wonder why this is happening as there seems to be a lot of late withdrawals from races. Maybe something the bha needs to look at.
The only horse backed for the Eclipse
The Fugue
now 7/4fav ‘could miss the race’………Shock,gasp,horror! An everyday occurence when she’s trained by the worrier himself.The ground at Sandown has been on the soft side all week but soaring temps dried the ground to Gd/Frm yesterday and shock gasp horror thats just the ground She wants,alas Mr Gosden the eternal pessimist just has to throw the ‘doubt’ line in all because Andrew cooper has threatened to water.He’s a player on words is Johnny G………Imagine if it was to er…………Rain on watered ground!!
Sweaty palm time again for the Ante-Post supporters of this fine mare.Personally I like Kingston Hill
at 9/1…….Turn on the taps Andrew.
Geez you are selective Gord. I take it you had no problem with Roger Varian withdrawing KH at the last minute last week? Or saying he will do so again this week if it DOESN’T rain. How about Aiden with GC who was not well enough to run last weekend but is fine this? Or Marvellous who was withdrawn late on? What about when he revealed to us in June that his horses were suffering from the virus back in April. Might have been handy to know that at the time don’t you think? Seal Of Approval only runs in the Lancashire Oaks if it rains. But that is all fine right? As soon as JG says anything you come down on him as if he is the only one who ever has non-runners. You have been waiting for this because it didn’t happen as you predicted with Kingman at Ascot.
We all know The Fugue doesn’t go on soft so of course he will withdraw her if it came up like that. But she won’t be the only non-runner. Trading Leather won’t run and nor will True Story. I dare say there will be doubts about Verrazano and WC as well.
This years Eclipse is full of runners who WANT rain and full of those who DON’T. The fact that there are now 48 hour decs means that on weekends like this when we have no idea how much rain there will be this will happen.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
Most trainers fall into the trap of thinking that horses will like ground their sire or dam liked. That of course is not always the case.even gosden, obrien stoute and the likes are fooled by not finding out about horses well into their 3 yo career. Milers who turn out to be great sprinters and mile and 10 furlong horses who need 12f or even 2 miles to show their best. Telescope has made fools of all of us but whose to say what is his best trip or ground. He could another harbinger but even stoute doesn’t know. Aiden doesn’t know leading lights best distance and the horse has been amazing running over all sort of distances and ground.the number of time trainers insist their horses are 10f horses when it’s plain to see they need12f or further. If it was that easy then more people would be doing it. As mcririck says believe what you see please aiden run magician over a fast 12f like you should have kept st nic too, and then run him in the arc then breeders cup. There you are,sorted.
Here’s an original pearler from Mr Gosden explaining why
The Fugue
was beaten today in the Eclipse………Wait for it…….." The ground was too Greasy"…..
Some of us knew she just wasn’t an Eclipse sort,its not a fillies race full stop……Only Gosden could say that! John Gosden said Taghrooda was going to stay competing against her own sex whilst it was possible. She went into the Irish Oaks betting at 4/5 fav and it was reported 95% of the money was for her and she ended up as low as 1/2 fav.
Oh well, her fans can re-invest at 4/1 and hope she does the business in The King George sixth.
Will Eagle Top take her on now? He’s drifted out a couple of points and would be a double whammy for Gosden backers if they don’t supplement him now. Of course, John Gosden said it was "almost certain" he would be supplemented, so punters can take comfort from that, can’t they?
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
An owners decision that we should surely be applauding. It adds real spice to the King George. Bruce Raymond said only yesterday that the final decision would be made by the Sheikh but it looked like it would be Tarfasha missing out. I can’t wait for the KG now and really fancy this superb filly to do the business on route to the Arc.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
John Gosden said Taghrooda was going to stay competing against her own sex whilst it was possible. She went into the Irish Oaks betting at 4/5 fav and it was reported 95% of the money was for her and she ended up as low as 1/2 fav.
That Steve epitomises what this thread is all about!Shocking!
Gosden plays the pied piper and punters follow him down the garden path only to have the gate slammed shut in their faces as he lines Bookies satchels yet again without so much as an apology!
Anyone backing Eagle Top
for anything had better be prepared for a typical Gosden ‘U-turn’.
This could be thread of the year. 
Feel sorry for anyone who’s backed the odds-on non-runner, but it’s hardly a surprise. When the
owner
already has a filly with by far the best chance of winning the Irish Oaks – Tarfasha is currently a top price of only 5/2 – why take her on? Taghrooda can not go for both races, they’re too close together. Why not go for an even better race with what could be an exceptional filly in Taghrooda? As Joni says, surely the decision to go for the King George should be applauded? It’s good for "British Racing".
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