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  • #129400
    Smithy
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    I don’t think it is tedious, no.

    I find the attitude of people like you, and I quote…….

    ps, I couldn’t give a monkeys if them tight gits on betfair lost a few quid, I care more about the betting shop punters throughout the years that were getting robbed by the likes of Graham Bradley, and hey, if we prosecuted every jockey who rode in a dodgy race we’d have half the leprecaun colony in the dock!

    far more tedious to be honest.

    #129403
    Venusian
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    It was clear some time ago that the prosecution had a very weak case, although I was as surprised as anyone when it ended so suddenly today.

    When the main "culprit" was getting around a 30% strike rate of winning rides in races he was supposed to lose it was pretty clear acquittals would eventually be the order of the day.

    No doubt those forum members who’ve claimed to know that Fallon was guilty of pulling horses will now feel free to tell us how they got on giving their evidence at the trial.

    I wish Fallon every success during the remainder of his career.

    #129404
    dave jay
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    In a proper democratic society we have laws. If someone breaks the law then they get prosecuted and jailed, if its tax evasion or owt like that. KF is innocent and his integrity cannot be called into question ..

    This is the way to ride a horse ..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D48WDjruPx8

    #129407
    Avatar photoCav
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    AOB’s reaction is here if you haven’t heard it already. Very interesting that he isn’t overly optimistic about Fallon’s future.

    http://www.rte.ie/sport/racing/2007/1207/fallon.html

    #129409
    stilvi
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    Forgive me if I have got this wrong – I did not follow the day to day reports – but to me – although the end result may be the same – there seems a huge difference between a trial running its course and someone being found not guilty by a jury rather than a judge just ending a trial ‘early’ because he deemed the chief witness to be incapable? Is spotting non-triers really that different in Australia? Did the police have difficulty getting ‘experts’ over here because of some form of ‘closing ranks’?

    #129411
    Anonymous
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    Forgive me if I have got this wrong – I did not follow the day to day reports – but to me – although the end result may be the same – there seems a huge difference between a trial running its course and someone being found not guilty by a jury rather than a judge just ending a trial ‘early’ because he deemed the chief witness to be incapable? Is spotting non-triers really that different in Australia? Did the police have difficulty getting ‘experts’ over here because of some form of ‘closing ranks’?

    Or, more likely, that they couldn’t find anyone daft enough any closer to home? :roll:

    #129413
    Prufrock
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    Did the police have difficulty getting ‘experts’ over here because of some form of ‘closing ranks’?

    The police did get an ‘expert’ over here who specifically stated that he thought there was nothing wrong with some of the rides, but they chose to withhold that evidence.

    I thought that was the most worrying aspect of the whole case for anyone who thought they were living in a free and fair country: the police were more interested in pursuing one verdict than in presenting all the relevant evidence.

    #129414
    Avatar photoPeter Poston’s Ghost
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    El Al?

    :shock:

    (that would be fun)

    Gesundheit :lol:

    #129416
    Anonymous
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    I thought that was the most worrying aspect of the whole case for anyone who thought they were living in a free and fair country: the police were more interested in pursuing one verdict than in presenting all the relevant evidence.

    Agreed. It is also disturbing that they could be construed as acting as paid servants of the HRA, which makes it look even more of a witch hunt.

    #129417
    stilvi
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    Did the police have difficulty getting ‘experts’ over here because of some form of ‘closing ranks’?

    The police did get an ‘expert’ over here who specifically stated that he thought there was nothing wrong with some of the rides, but they chose to withhold that evidence.

    I thought that was the most worrying aspect of the whole case for anyone who thought they were living in a free and fair country: the police were more interested in pursuing one verdict than in presenting all the relevant evidence.

    Do we know who this ‘expert’ was? I assume it wasn’t someone off the TV because they will rarely if ever criticise anything? To me the idea of an ‘outsider’ wasn’t such a bad idea.

    #129418
    Prufrock
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    It was Jim McGrath of Timeform and Channel 4 Racing, stilvi.

    #129419
    davidjohnson
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    It’s no secret as it was brought up in court, but Jim McGrath (of Channel 4 and Timeform) expressed opinions regarding rides which directly contradicted those of Ray Murrihiy.

    This story is available on the Racing Post website under the ‘Mark Manning’ story published on November 19th.

    #129420
    LetsGetRacing
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    Is it not the ultimate irony that the prosecution fails to see the trial through to the end because of a seemingly lacklustre case?

    You have to laugh, you really do, but where does the HRA stand as regards ridding the sport of those who abuse it on the back of such a high-profile, yet farcical, exercise?

    #129422
    apracing
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    Ah, but this case was nothing to do with the BHA and was entirely down to the police.

    I know this must be true, because Paul Struthers of the BHA said it to camera on Ch4 news this evening.

    AP

    #129425
    LetsGetRacing
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    Forgive me, ap, I didn’t realise the almighty Paul Struthers had spoken :wink:

    #129442
    richard
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    I do think the way this trial ended is not good for racing, Had the full legal arguements been heard and twelve good people and true come to an innocent verdict, fair enough. But so much came out in the prosecution’s evidence which needs explaining. To my mind stopping the trial is more likely to produce the general re-action, well racing is bent, the CPS just screwed it up, whether that be true or not.

    No doubt the more sycophantic journalists will be rushing to applaud the result, but if they do that, it would be a great shame that they didn’t earn the name of "journalist" and follow up on some of the more interesting points introduced in evidence.

    TDK has the right of it. If this sends a signal to serious criminals that they can move in on racing with no fear of convictions , then that is another nail in the several that are being hammered into racing’s coffin at this time.

    richard

    #129449
    Lamby150
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    Dear All

    Absolutely made up for the man. Met him during the summer and he is one hell of a nice person and I for one can not wait to see him back in the saddle.

    Top Jockey, Top Man. What a great start to the weekend.

    Cheers Kieron you are much appreciated.

    Lamby150

    I don’t wish to be picky but if you admire him you really should spell his name correctly :wink:

    Welcome back Kieren 8)

    Me ow

    I apologise.

    Lamby150

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