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  • #129369
    carvillshill
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    I’m happy for KF- I found it very difficult to believe he was stopping horses in the position he was in- it just didn’t make financial sense. I believe he was communicating what he thought of his mounts every day through a third party and was being misinterpreted by Miles Rogers as saying he would prevent certain horses from winning.
    I am angry and sad that this case was ever brought though, as I agree with those who think it has set back the cause of cleaning up the sport. I have no doubt that some subterfuge was taking place but the weakness of the case in its entirety meant that any prosecution was impossible.
    As others have said, the fact remains that there were clandestine meetings, white envelopes and multiple taped conversations indicating that persons were up to no good in the sport of kings who will now face no consequences from the civil authorities at least, whatever about the BHA. I still expect Miles Rogers, at least, to have action taken against him by the latter.

    #129371
    clivex
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    I found it very difficult to believe he was stopping horses in the position he was in

    15 lengths in front?? :wink:

    #129377
    Avatar photoCharlie D
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    But the judge added: "Remarkably, it was only in cross-examination that the very significant limitations and shortcomings in the evidence he was able to give became clear."

    In court, Mr Murrihy had said "it was not incumbent that I verse myself in UK or other jurisdiction rules".

    Mr Murrihy also said in evidence: "I have not said I was an expert in respect of UK races.

    "The judge said in his ruling today: "This is an extraordinary admission given that he was purporting to give evidence about 27 races run in the UK according to UK racing rules.

    "In my opinion, that was tantamount to Mr Murrihy disqualifying himself in giving evidence in relation to the suspect races.

    "In my opinion it is now clear that Mr Murrihy’s evidence was subject to a number of significant limitations and shortcomings which were not evident from his witness statements and his evidence in chief."

    The judge added: "It is abundantly clear that his evidence fell far, far short of establishing a prima facie breach of UK racing rules.

    "I have reached the conclusion that even if it was appropriate to admit Mr Murrihy’s expert opinion, its probative value is so limited that very little value can be attached to it."

    I’ve not read all daily reports, but it sounds like prosecutions case could have been nominated for a comedy award

    #129380
    Avatar photoPeter Poston’s Ghost
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    No wonder we can’t find a sponsor for The Derby.

    I’m told by a high up source at one of their rivals that a certain airline with connections to a certain royal family in the Arabian Gulf are to take The Derby on.

    #129383
    clivex
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    El Al?

    :shock:

    (that would be fun)

    #129388
    jilly
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    Dear All

    Absolutely made up for the man. Met him during the summer and he is one hell of a nice person and I for one can not wait to see him back in the saddle.

    Top Jockey, Top Man. What a great start to the weekend.

    Cheers Kieron you are much appreciated.

    Lamby150

    I don’t wish to be picky but if you admire him you really should spell his name correctly :wink:

    Welcome back Kieren 8)

    #129389
    Aragorn
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    The biggest loser once again in all of this is racing…

    Fiver says the news programmes depict this as a "he got off but there’s still something fishy here" story… So despite Fallon being cleared racing will still be portrayed as a shady sport when it’s probably not much different to any other sport.

    For instance last night I’m sure the ref in the spurs game had a bet on them to qualify cos he was certainly keen to give them every decision…

    Racing’s intrinsic link to the devil that is gambling is what hinders it more than anything. The reality is people bet on anything these days… And thats not going to stop now you’ve comapnies like party bets encouraging people to bet on anything..

    The government needs to have a chat with itself…

    #129390
    Wallace
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    If the HRA don’t take action against Fallon for admitting under oath he passed information to a betting syndicate, they will be unable to enforce their own rules in future.

    Warned off for life would be a fitting result for the integrity of racing.

    #129391
    Smithy
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    I can’t help feeling the incompetence surrounding Fallon’s involvement in all this has let Rodgers, Lynch x2 and Darren Williams off the hook by association.

    Anyone who can hand on heart say that believe that the other two jockeys in question haven’t stopped a horse for the benefit of the others under investigation has watched a different set of races to me.

    #129392
    Salselon
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    If the HRA don’t take action against Fallon for admitting under oath he passed information to a betting syndicate, they will be unable to enforce their own rules in future.

    Warned off for life would be a fitting result for the integrity of racing.

    That is the type of moronic, anti-Fallon sentiment i expected if he was found innocent. He has served more than a fair amount of a ban.

    Today’s verdict must be very hard for some people to accept.

    #129393
    Alderbrook
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    No wonder we can’t find a sponsor for The Derby.

    I’m told by a high up source at one of their rivals that a certain airline with connections to a certain royal family in the Arabian Gulf are to take The Derby on.

    Perhaps we could call it Mohammed?

    #129394
    Wallace
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    I know for certain that one of the accused jockeys has stopped horses in the past. Also, involved in betting, passing bets though a third party and associating with known criminals.

    #129395
    % MAN
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    I know for certain that one of the accused jockeys has stopped horses in the past. Also, involved in betting, passing bets though a third party and associating with known criminals.

    In that case I presume you have passed the evidence to the relevant authorities?

    #129396
    Smithy
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    Exactly, Wallace. A pair of very lucky men imo.

    #129397
    Smithy
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    Marb,

    If you are being burgled, it is a criminal offence. Obviously Betfair punters haven’t been defrauded – the Old Bailey have shown us that – but if they had, it would be a very serious offence.

    #129398
    Wallace
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    paulostermeyer, yes the JC and police both interviewed me following a series of incidents a few years ago. I was drawn into a series of transactions by association with a third party. Fortunately I saw what was going on and got myself out immediately.

    marb, I would be happy for the HRA to have the balls to act rather than pass the case over for criminal prosecution.

    #129399
    % MAN
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    paulostermeyer, yes the JC and police both interviewed me following a series of incidents a few years ago. I was drawn into a series of transactions by association with a third party. Fortunately I saw what was going on and got myself out immediately.

    Good for you

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