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  • #129299
    Avatar photoDrone
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    No surprise it’s over

    The case for the prosecution and it’s catalogue of flaws did make for painful reading

    Oh well, now for the fallout

    ‘When Black Friday comes
    I’m gonna dig myself a hole
    Gonna lay down in it
    ‘Til I satisfy my soul
    Gonna let the world pass by me’

    #129301
    Wallace
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    A jockey admits to sending text messages to a syndicate of gamblers. Surely the HRA can take action and ban him for this?

    #129303
    Kautostar1
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    Fallon is allowed to ride in England immediately. Absolutely great news. Get him up to Lingfield for the last race I say :lol:

    Mike

    too right! Really excited about seeing him back over here!! … need to get out more i think haha :D

    #129305
    davidbrady
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    Bear in mind that being found innocent does not necessarily mean you are not guilty, just that the evidence being put forward did not enable a court to find guilt beyond any reasonable doubt.

    Here, the evidence that we saw seemed to be pitiful. Either there is no evidence, or the people putting this together have not the slightest idea what they were doing.

    Heads should roll for this.

    If the prosecution evidence is insufficient, then maybe it’s because he is innocent.

    Or should we introduce a new verdict then – "not proven guilty"?

    #129307
    thedarkknight
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    The basic problem with all cases involving supposed non triers is – how does one prove beyond all reasonable doubt that a jockey has deliberately prevented a horse from winning?

    It is virtually impossible, hence the predictable results in these cases…

    #129308
    Gareth Flynn
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    Or should we introduce a new verdict then – "not proven guilty"?

    They have that in Scotland, don’t they? I would imagine that a trial has to actually get as far as the jury for it to be used, though.

    #129309
    apracing
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    The basic problem with all cases involving supposed non triers is – how does one prove beyond all reasonable doubt that a jockey has deliberately prevented a horse from winning?

    Especially when some of them do win !

    AP

    #129310
    PAULCS
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    What a joke – all those big rides that KF has missed – Dylan Thomas, Yeats, Peeping Fawn etc all for nothing.

    I look forward to seeing him back on track…

    #129311
    Alderbrook
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    Bear in mind that being found innocent does not necessarily mean you are not guilty, just that the evidence being put forward did not enable a court to find guilt beyond any reasonable doubt.

    Here, the evidence that we saw seemed to be pitiful. Either there is no evidence, or the people putting this together have not the slightest idea what they were doing.

    Heads should roll for this.

    If the prosecution evidence is insufficient, then maybe it’s because he is innocent.

    Or should we introduce a new verdict then – "not proven guilty"?

    Sorry David, I was not saying that this meant that any of the 3 were not necessarily innocent. As you may imagine, I have no evidence of any sort to substantiate any personal feelings I may have.

    I just imagined some people would claim that the collapse of this trial means there was no wrong doing. It may mean that, but it may just be an appalling case that has been put together.

    There will clearly be more written about this.

    I have just heard Willie Carson on R5. "This is fantastic news for racing". Mmmmm….

    #129312
    davidjohnson
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    A jockey admits to sending text messages to a syndicate of gamblers. Surely the HRA can take action and ban him for this?

    Spot on Wallace and something I’m surprised more people haven’t picked up on. Definitely worth reading the evidence that has been submitted in court and comparing it to the evidence that was used to warn of the likes of Fitzpatrick et al.

    #129313
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    Really and truly whoever was/is at the top of the tree with this investigation/prosecution must surely be held to account.

    The cost of the investigation and brining it to court must have been staggering and that is public money literally wasted.

    I well remember APRacing’s comments re- the City of London police economic crime unit and his judgement has been proven to be spot on. I suspect, however, that most of them are in fact well acquainted with the newspaper AP mentions and are au fait with the contents of said page 3.

    So – racing gets a clean bill of health and we can carry on as was? Or not.

    #129314
    thedarkknight
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    ..and what about receiving large white packets of money from punters that is then stored under a bed!?!

    #129317
    underscore
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    I’m with Wallace on this. How can people be looking forward to the return of a jockey who had admitted to sending txt msgs to a bunch of gamblers. :roll:

    #129318
    Salselon
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    Racing is straight then. Hip hip hooray….

    Stop it. There, in this instance at the very least, no case whatsoever to answer. If, by your sarcastic comments, you think racing is not ‘straight’, then please share some details, or if not, take a moment to think of having your livelihood, peace of mind and everything that goes along with it stripped away because of ‘evidence’ that didn’t vaguely link Fallon to what he was being accused of.

    Before the trial started, i felt some wouldn’t be satisfied unless Fallon was hung, drawn and quartered.

    Well done Coolmore on standing by him, absolutely, even though this couldn’t have been the best publicity for their organisation.

    #129319
    andyccfc
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    Personally, i think he might be a bit dodgy and the rest of it but the reason im looking forward to him coming back is quite simply because he is one of the best flat jockeys there has ever been. Simple.

    #129320
    davidjohnson
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    Salselon

    Just because the City of Londoin Police are a shower of shite doesn’t mean you should bury your head in the sand.

    #129322
    thedarkknight
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    The naivety of some on here astounds me. I could post about races and incidents that have convinced me beyond all reasonable doubt that racing is corrupt, but I ‘m not that stupid.

    This case has provided yet another example that it is incredibly difficult to prove such things in a court of law. Where that leaves the integrity of the sport in teh long term though – god only knows.

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