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  • #1562814
    Avatar photoHe Didnt Like Ground
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    Ask yourself this how many other jockeys have failed the test twice ….none , he,s a great jockey but he,s not learnt his lesson , im teetotal and never been bothered about drinking either way but if I was in his position with all the opportunities that come with it even if I liked a drink I reckon I could refrain , as I said earlier I def get a Fallon vibe off him , he needs a few wise heads to come on board and advise him

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    LOL
    I am teetotal too, but fact is most people that drink alcohol don’t have a problem with it. Racing limit is even less than the drink drive limit. Judging Oisin as having a drink problem is like the anti-gambling brigade judging all of us as having a gambling problem just because we might have more than a couple of bets in a single day. Yes, a few people might indeed have a problem but the vast majority are fine.

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    #1562834
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    But ginger he knows the limit … So why is he failing it , the problem is he,s now failed a test twice , there,s some kind of issue

    #1562836
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    Ummmm, he isn’t as good as others at counting?
    May be he has more mates that drink than any other jockey?
    May be forgets the number he’s had?

    Yep, he’s done it more than any other jockey.
    He’s done it just once more than any other jockey. Worth saying again just ONCE more.
    Total of times being twice.
    Someone has to be the first to go one more than any other jockey, he won’t be the last.

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    #1562838
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    Oisin surely got a buzz today.

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    #1562840
    Avatar photoHe Didnt Like Ground
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    When asked about it he mumbled about ” being silly ” , he maybe a great jockey but he needs to grow up a bit , as I said earlier there,s plenty jockeys breathing down his neck if he doesn’t

    #1562843
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    Strange, all I heard was Oisin taking responsibility. Seems as though he has grown up.

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    #1562844
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    No he didn’t drink or drive or ride because he was caught. No he wasn’t legless but he was about to ride a racehorse at over 30mph. Anybody who as ever had a drink will tell you that any alcohol in your system will affect your judgement and make you dangerous to others. That is a fact
    Just because people get away with something does not make it right. When you are turning up for work over the alocohol limit whatever that limit is then I do beleive you have a problem and probably an addiction.
    I certainly do not turn up for work having had a drink, I would probably lose my job as I dare say a lot of people would.
    It is all about opinions and I think he’s got off lightly but hey happy days.

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    Ginger he ain’t taking responsibility …that’s why he missed his rides on Thurs , let’s put it another way I have rules and regulations in my job … I don’t break them , it’s called responsibility , as I said he needs a few wise heads around him dishing out some good advice , hopefully he,ll not slip up again

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    Just because people get away with something does not make it right.

    Don’t think anybody is saying what Oisin did was right, droffats.
    Just that going over this particular limit does not mean that person has a drink problem.

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    #1562861
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    I would be interested to find out what he blew on the the test itself and what that amounts to in terms of units of alcohol consumed considering he was under the driving limit (which is 35 micrograms per 100 millilitres of breath) but over the riding limit which is 20 micrograms per 100 millilitres of breath.

    Have a feeling being a small jockey that doesn’t eat a lot with very little body mass might have played its part in how quickly alcohol would be absorbed and then remain in his system (can be up to 24hrs on the breath) and while it is not an exact a rule of thumb drinking 2 pints of 4% beer/lager could put you close to or for some people even over the drink/drive limit but would absolutely have you failing the limit for riding.

    Being a jockey he should probably go down the route of simply not drinking alcohol full stop to eliminate any chance of this happening again but having two beers (or maybe less) in the evening doesn’t equate to a drinking problem per say.

    That being said seeking help is never a bad thing to do especially considering the ups and downs a jockey encounters in horse racing and how that can affect a persons mood which could lead to increased drinking.

    #1562863
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    He probably had a large glass of wine with his evening meal the night before. An expensive mistake with the drink/ride threshold being so low, having to miss such a big day’s racing. Doubt he will make the same mistake again, he will just have to completely abstain from drinking during working hours.
    No reason to believe he has a drink problem but does anyone know any good reason why the drink/ride limit should be half the drink/drive limit? Seems a bit odd.

    #1562868
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    Pretty certain whatever drinking he did would have been in the evening i.e. outside working hours, he may just be one of those people that alcohol remains in their system longer than most and as such drinking the night before riding is a no-no from now on.

    Can’t get my head around the lower riding limit either as you can do a hell of a lot more damage whilst driving a tonne of car under the influence than half a tonne of racehorse but I guess there must be some reason for it.

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    By the way, this was his 2nd failed breath test. The previous one was back in June 2019.

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    Goodness knows what Barry Brogan and other assorted 1970s jump jockeys would make of this furore.

    #1562881
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    I was thinking back to that era as well. I am sure I remember Steve Smith Eccles saying he once rode in the first at Fontwell and then spent the rest of the afternoon in the owner and trainer bar before riding in the last.

    #1562887
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    Mountain out of a molehill. He’s committed the crime and done the time. Move on.

    If he turns up after skulling 10 pints of lager then that’s a different matter but if he’s in the narrow window between the riding and driving limits then clearly this is in the lowest possible band of seriousness and the punishment was appropriate.

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