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For refusing to trot Cape Blanco up or to allow his groom to talk to the stewards.
Several puzzling things –
Why would the vet want the horse trotted up?
Why would the stewards want to meet the groom?
Presumably because the horse apperaed stiff/lame but surely that is teh trainers concern and nothing to do with the course vet unless the trainer asks for assistance?
Gets old does it not.First called in and jockey suspended because Frankie complained that he was bumped at the bend.Then called in because Murtagh related a story from the pub,next because he wanted time to prepare six horses for the derby and now this.About time to give those snotty nosed people the finger.Like he had nothing else to do.
next because he wanted time to prepare six horses for the derby
Are you referring to the fine for late entry into paddock? If so that was a fully deserved fine.
This is going to require some in-depth look at the BHA rulebook…….. Mr O’Brien has a complete disregard for authority though, so it’s not out of character, whatever the reasons.
That is a pretty sweeping statement."A complete disregard for authority." When does the vet become authority?If you don’t want to see the vet tell him(her) so.What right does the vet have to see your horse after the race?Give him the cup and you are on your way. No? I feel sure that the vets care more about Aidan’s horse than he does Right? Snotty nose buggers I said that is what they are.They probably explained to Mr. O’Brien that if he did not do what they wanted they would tell teacher on him.I suppose they really felt important calling Ireland to get their way; that would show the stable lad who was boss.But Mr. O’Brien don’t like nobody messing with his staff.Like Frankie rushing into the stewards room at Ascot and demanding an investigation over the riding of Heffernan in the Queen Elizabeth II.Or the Gentry at Epsom being kept waiting by some yokel from Ireland. I bet they (the vets) really felt triumphant driving home in their Mini.They wwould show him who was boss.Probably had Stouties horse backed and were soooo disappointed.Trouble with you guys is that you bow and scrape to anyone with a formal education or a title such as Vet.Or a title without an education.They become "authority" to the man in the street.
That is a pretty sweeping statement."A complete disregard for authority." When does the vet become authority?If you don’t want to see the vet tell him(her) so.What right does the vet have to see your horse after the race?Give him the cup and you are on your way. No? I feel sure that the vets care more about Aidan’s horse than he does Right? Snotty nose buggers I said that is what they are.They probably explained to Mr. O’Brien that if he did not do what they wanted they would tell teacher on him.I suppose they really felt important calling Ireland to get their way; that would show the stable lad who was boss.But Mr. O’Brien don’t like nobody messing with his staff.Like Frankie rushing into the stewards room at Ascot and demanding an investigation over the riding of Heffernan in the Queen Elizabeth II.Or the Gentry at Epsom being kept waiting by some yokel from Ireland. I bet they (the vets) really felt triumphant driving home in their Mini.They wwould show him who was boss.Probably had Stouties horse backed and were soooo disappointed.Trouble with you guys is that you bow and scrape to anyone with a formal education or a title such as Vet.Or a title without an education.They become "authority" to the man in the street.
This sounds a bit sweeping itself (who are ‘you guys’?) and not a little chippy (as in shoulder) to me and certainly not representative of where we’re lead to believe Aiden O’Brien comes from in terms of attitude (generally charming if a little bland and doesn’t actually say a great deal)and why he may or may not comply with requests etc from racing authorities etc.
Dare I suggest that a Vet asking for a horse to demonstrate that it isn’t lame is not part of a class war
and may have more to do with horse welfare and maybe punters interests?
Certainly of interest to find out the real answers to the original questions posted……….Of course it’s chippy.I am chippy but not fishhy.I am proud of Aidan and what he has achieved for a simple country boy.Will be watching how it plays out.I was just getting up your nose. Nothing personal.
Or the Gentry at Epsom being kept waiting by some yokel from Ireland.
It wasn’t the gentry kept waiting – it was ordinary racegoers, like me, who’d travelled long distances, spent lots of money getting there and didn’t get a chance to see some of the main contenders for the race.
O’Brien has sadlled numerous runners before, usually in the paddock, and his horses are usually in the paddock in plenty time so I’m not sure what was going on but it was unacceptable nevertheless and he deserved the fine (and more).
You guys have got to stop thinking everyone has it in for you.
I am proud of Aidan and what he has achieved for a simple country boy.
For some reason it does seem acceptable to label anyone from the Auld Sod not born and bred within The Pale with demeaning and mildly derogatory epithets such as ‘simple country boys made good’ should they meet with success
If breeding means anything he was destined to work with horses: the Munster equine/agricultural genetic code courses through his blood and brain
the luck of the oirish
oirish eyes are smiling
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I don’t get this at all and I’m sure Aiden must have thought "why the hell do you want to examine the horse when I’ve said he’s ok"
I’m not familar with the rules but I would have thought after a race has finished unless there is some sort of urine test to be done the course vets/stewards are no longer responsible but I suppose in some sort of crazy way they see it as acting in the betting public interest…….not that we really need to know if the horse was a bit stiff after the race.
In Aiden’s eyes I suppose it’s a bit like teaching your grandmother to suck eggs and not suffering fools glady. I very much doubt if he needs a vet to tell him whether a horse is a bit sore or not and his own staff are well capable of relaying that info to him. If he reports in turn over such a minor thing why should anyone question his word or anyone elses on something he would have no need to lie about?
As far as them wanting to interveiw his stable lad, after he has told them the horse is fine, is just like poking the man in the eye with a stick and adding insult to injury.
In an attempt to settle the matter, stipendiary steward, Robert Earnshaw called AOB
Perhaps out Bob should have acted quicker and this would not have been an issue….Seems like the horse was already loaded up and leaving…………A case of "never mind" and accepting the man’s word would have been more in order than acting like a member of the SS.
The stewards should not need to justify anything.
Under BHA rules, any trainer has to comply with whatever the stewards want FULL STOP.
AOB thinks he’s above the "Rules".
After what happened in the Derby and Newmarket, it’s time to make a stand.
It is not up to AOB to determine which rules he wants to obey or ignore.
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I am proud of Aidan and what he has achieved for a simple country boy.
For some reason it does seem acceptable to label anyone from the Auld Sod not born and bred within The Pale with demeaning and mildly derogatory epithets such as ‘simple country boys made good’ should they meet with success.
Well said! Andyod’s "simple country boy" line made me laugh longer and louder than any piece of Hollywood Oirishry I’ve come across since John Wayne’s shillelagh-crunching in "The Quiet Man".
Mr O’Brien comes from yeomen farming stock of the utmost sophistication – not least when it comes to the business of horseflesh. "Country" we might allow, but "simple"??? Listen, no, to be sure.
For the record Aidan O’Brien did allow the vets to inspect the horse – and they did. When that was done they went and got him iced and poulticed when the vets came back again to see him trot. That is when they said no as they did not want to aggrivate any injury.
I read that too Aidan and if that’s what happened I think APOB was dead right. To ask that a horse who had just run, been subjected to one veterinary inspection already and had subseqently had his injury poulticed and dressed to then have his bandage removed and undergo another examination was pointless and detrimental to the horse’s welfare. I’d have done the same and taken the fine.
That is a pretty sweeping statement."A complete disregard for authority." When does the vet become authority?If you don’t want to see the vet tell him(her) so.What right does the vet have to see your horse after the race?Give him the cup and you are on your way. No? I feel sure that the vets care more about Aidan’s horse than he does Right? Snotty nose buggers I said that is what they are.They probably explained to Mr. O’Brien that if he did not do what they wanted they would tell teacher on him.I suppose they really felt important calling Ireland to get their way; that would show the stable lad who was boss.But Mr. O’Brien don’t like nobody messing with his staff.Like Frankie rushing into the stewards room at Ascot and demanding an investigation over the riding of Heffernan in the Queen Elizabeth II.Or the Gentry at Epsom being kept waiting by some yokel from Ireland. I bet they (the vets) really felt triumphant driving home in their Mini.They wwould show him who was boss.Probably had Stouties horse backed and were soooo disappointed.Trouble with you guys is that you bow and scrape to anyone with a formal education or a title such as Vet.Or a title without an education.They become "authority" to the man in the street.
A complete disregard for authority. Now which example shall I use – the 2008 Melbourne Cup where he blatantly broke the rules of Australian Racing and didn’t like the stewards way of doing things in Australia. Or the constant breaking of the rules regarding the paddock. Or the Juddmonte International rule break, which sure ended the rubbish about we just a want a good even gallop, and proved Dettori right over that QEII. Or the Queen Anne which Haradasun won. This operation have been showing a complete disregard for authority and the rules for as long as I know.
As for the vet, if the rules of Racing in Britain give veterinary control over all horses up until they’re allowed to leave the racecourse, then that is what you have to put up with. Otherwise don’t race your horses in Britain.
and may have more to do with horse welfare and maybe punters interests?
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