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[clivexx]

You are struggling now and i would give up.

es, you’re right, its terrible, anywhere you go in the US, you’ll see people lying around in the streets dying from heart attacks

Where did i say that? That is not the present position. Do i have to say it really slowly? It is what Ron Paul advocates.

Misinformed about HK?

You are completely confused. On the one hand you are supporting Paul’s complete non government intervention in health and then you champion a health service which has is largely public funded, including (it would appear ) fully the emergency services and intensive treatment

[clivexx]

maybe you should start asking yourself why the UK government needs to take 70 per cent from its citizens

What?

[wit]

come on clivexx, get with it:

50pc top tax rate + 12pc employee NI + on what’s left 20pc VAT

if you don’t like 70 / 20 top rate comparison, you can go 50/15 effective rate comparison – still three and a bit times as much.

HK is an example of how the UK might start to be weaned off its ruinously inefficient and expensive present system. I raised it because you seem to have difficulty comprehending any world other than the NHS.

as regards Ron Paul and the US, stop making up what you’d like him to be advocating and read what he actually advocates:

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As for the poor and the severely ill who can neither obtain insurance nor pay for the medical care they need, Ron Paul offers the following solution in his book “The Revolution: A Manifesto“:

<< In the days before Medicare and Medicaid, the poor and elderly were admitted to hospitals at the same rate they are now, and received good care. Before those programs came into existence, every physician understood that he or she had a responsibility towards the less fortunate and free medical care was the norm. Hardly anyone is aware of this today, since it doesn’t fit into the typical, by the script story of government rescuing us from a predatory private sector. >>

Illegal aliens already receive de-facto free health care. Why can’t poor Americans have the same… not as a right, but as a charitable benefit provided by doctors who feel a personal responsibility for their fellow citizens?

Unfortunately, the current medical monopoly corrupts many doctors by rewarding practices that are not in the patients’ best interest. Pharmaceutical companies have a vested interest in not curing people, but getting them permanently addicted to expensive drugs that have many side effects, thereby requiring additional drugs to suppress those side effects. Many doctors are afraid to speak up and question the system for fear of being ostracized by their peers or even losing their license.

Under a liberated health care system prices would come down and additional options would become available, thereby making health care much more affordable. Moral corruption would give way to true compassion, and many doctors would remember their implicit obligation to provide free medical care to those in need, just like they did in the past.

As a medical doctor, Ron Paul swore the Hippocratic Oath many decades ago. His entire person and career is a monument to the beauty and sanctity of human life. Ron Paul knows that life without health can be very difficult and is not what it was meant to be. He has personally cared for the poor for many years, without asking anything in return.

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http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/health-care/

so clivexx, you say that he advocates dumping impecunious heart attack victims by the roadside, whereas the reality is the direct opposite, proven not only in his words but in his deeds over a lifetime as a doctor.

that is an actionable defamation of him.

[Miss Woodford]

Look, wit, I don’t think you "get" Ron Paul. The UK politician he most resembles is Screaming Lord Sutch. Except Paul is 100% serious.

But then, you call our President "Barry the Kenyan", which suggests that you might fit well with these fine folks http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t836078/

[wit]

Miss Woodford,

Either you don’t "get" Lord Sutch or you are dissembling.

compare and contrast:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Sutch

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul

Have you see the polls for Paul v Obama ?:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls … dates.html

That is outstanding for a candidate who the mainstream media has been doing all it can to hide – you’ll have seen the Jon Stewart routine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb5aGgQX … re=related

Barry the Kenyan is a fair enough moniker:

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His father, Barack Obama, Sr., was a Luo from Nyang’oma Kogelo, Nyanza Province, Kenya.

Obama’s parents met in 1960 in a Russian language class at the University of Hawaiʻi at Mānoa, where his father was a foreign student on scholarship.

The couple married on February 2, 1961, separated when Obama Sr. went to Harvard University on scholarship, and divorced in 1964.

Obama Sr. remarried and returned to Kenya, visiting Barack in Hawaii only once, in 1971. He died in an automobile accident in 1982.

After her divorce, Dunham married Indonesian student Lolo Soetoro, who was attending college in Hawaii.

When Suharto, a military leader in Soetoro’s home country, came to power in 1967, all Indonesian students studying abroad were recalled, and the family moved to the Menteng neighborhood of Jakarta.

From ages six to ten, Obama attended local schools in Jakarta, including Besuki Public School and St. Francis of Assisi School. Because of his childhood background, today Obama is quite popular in Indonesia.

In 1971, Obama returned to Honolulu to live with his maternal grandparents, Madelyn and Stanley Armour Dunham, and with the aid of a scholarship he attended Punahou School, a private college preparatory school, from the fifth grade until his graduation from high school in 1979. Obama’s mother returned to Hawaii in 1972, remaining there until 1977 when she went back to Indonesia to work as an anthropological field worker. She finally returned to Hawaii in 1994 and lived there for one year, before dying of ovarian cancer.

…Obama was known as "Barry" in his youth…..

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what you don’t seem to "get" is the contempt Barry shows for ordinary citizens in taking their liberty and their property.

Ron Paul is the one carrying the torch from the 60s – with the NDAA, Barry has left all that civil rights stuff way behind.

[clivexx]

Actionable? You must be joking. Bring it on!

Why can’t poor Americans have the same… not as a right, but as a charitable benefit provided by doctors who feel a personal responsibility for their fellow citizens?

This is whats so funny. If its not "a right" then how do we know they will get it? Quite frankly relying on doctors to take time out and treat for free is barmy.

And would they deal with long term intensive care or expensive difficult cases for free? Mental health problems? Cancer? comas?

would they ****

A civilised society should provide emergency life threatening care without pushing it on to the hope that "churches and charities" will pick up the problem. Of course many patients will effectively be dumped. If theres no guarantee or right to basic treatment then theres no guarantee it will happen

Hes advocating against what most people would see as a basic component of a civilised society

Hes finished anyway

[wit]

…but among the mainstream media you have to go to Russia Today to find out about it:

http://rt.com/usa/news/obama-lohier-ndaa-stay-414/

Just so you guys in the UK fully appreciate what this is:

This is not the UK model of detention by police subject to safeguards.

This is the US military detaining US citizens on US soil indefinitely without charge, without needing to explain, with no recourse for the hapless individual.

Coming from an Administration with a very elastic definition of "terrorist".

[% MAN]

….. the land of the free and the home of the brave?

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