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Been a long time since I’ve seen a blatant non-trier as Nobile Request today at Kempton, at no stage did Richard Johnson put the horse in the race, and entering the home straight he decided he couldn’t catch the three horses in front of him so just let the horse coast home in his own time.
I know Noble Request hasn’t run for a long time, but I still want to see jockeys at least try to give their horses a chance and this is definately not what Johnson did today.
I’m not talking through my pocket as I didn’t bet on what was a dire card for Kempton, and though the presenters on Racing UK appeared to suggest the horse wasn’t given the best of rides they didn’t have the guts to say what a bad ride it was, I’m sure it will reported that the jockey have the horse a ‘considerate’ ride.
The game’s all about opinions, Phil, and I disagree.
From what I saw, Noble Request jumped poorly in rear early on, giving the impression he was rusty, made good headway on to the heels of the leaders 3 out, couldn’t sustain it and was given an easy time. I suspect if Johnson had hit the horse half a dozen times it would have made little difference to the outcome.
For what it’s worth I didn’t have a bet in the race either.
I was at kempton along with 200 others , and trust me the horse was gross , and as far as I am concerned he tried his best
wish to goodness you guys would think before posting crap like this
Ricky
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he decided he couldn’t catch the three horses in front of him
Or maybe the horse decided that?
The problem with jockeys is they never have and never will have the punters best interests at heart.
They will always try to take care of a horse if rusty/tired and not put all into winning, rather give it an educationl ride and try next time.
Jockeys are not given their riding fee from the punters but rather the owners, although bare in mind there would be no prize money/no racing at all if it were not for punters…..
For me I avoid backing NH horses until after November for reason highlighted by yourself today…
I was at Kempton too and Noble Request was carrying shedloads of condition; in fact I’d go so far as to say he was fat.
In all fairness there were a few more than 200 people there, to make a change!
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In all fairness there were a few more than 200 people there, to make a change!
Never been there on boxing day then.
Yet another instance of the most pertinent piece of information being witheld from the vast majority of punters. As a result questions are raised of a race’s integrity and doubtless a few more punters walk away from the sport.
I asked the BHA why they didn’t weigh horses and they said they’d done a cost-benefit analysis. Apparently the costs were too much as our racecourses only race a few days a year compared to ones in the Far East and the benefits, from a punting and integrity perspective, were ‘unclear’!!!
Well, the last time I looked Kempton Park staged more meetings each year than all Hong Kong tracks combined and I’d say this thread makes the benefits crystal clear.
Why on earth don’t they install a pair of fecking scales there?
Do you think a set of scales would make finding winners easier for most punters, Glenn?
I’d say they would provide the most important piece of the jigsaw for horses that hadn’t raced for three years. How much heavier was Noble Request than on his last run at Kempton? Presumably lots – would you want to back him if you knew this?
Do you think a set of scales would make finding winners easier for most punters, Glenn?
I certainly would agree that knowing a horses weight would be a
crucial bit of information for us Punters!The great Dancing Brave won the majority of his races weighing around 1070-1075lbs,his ideal racing weight was 1072lbs,that was his weight the day he won the Arc,in between races he could weigh up to 1085lbs and would work it off accordingly,if he had turned up at the racecourse at that weight,he would have needed the run!There are obvious reasons why horses weights aren"t made public in this day and age!Backing and Laying!!
We the uninformed,cannot tell if a horse is carrying 10lb over his ideal racing weight,just by looking!30lb yeh!Had I known that Noble Request was carrying a much bigger weight than his usual racing weight I would have been less critical of the horse’s poor performance today.
Unfortunately it appears that racing’s rulers think we are too thick and ignorant to understand how useful the weighing of horses would be to punters. As has been said no wonder so many people are walking away from our sport.
Phil , sorry if I seemed a bit harsh , sometimes my patience glands run on empty , I was out of order
anyway you and Glen are right , rulers of racing have never cared about punters so no change there , but it was Kempton park after all
the birth place of all conspiracy theories …….welcome to the world of racing , unless you go , you are in the dark about condition of the nags you are playing
cheers
Ricky
Having no experience of how the weight of horses directly affects their performance, I can’t really answer Glenn’s question.
Obviously, a fat horse is less likely to be able to sustain a gallop than a fit one, but some horses thrive on racing and others are at their best after an absence.
I’d quite happily back a horse after a 3-year lay-off if I thought the odds justified the risk. Noble Request’s drift before the off today made me think he’d need the run, and I wasn’t tempted to back him, but I was guessing.
If Noble Request’s weight today had been made available to the general public, I’m still not sure it would have made the decision about whether or not to back him any easier.
Perhaps the BHA consider weighing horses as "not cost effective" because they’d rather p*ss their millions up the wall on unprosecutable court action?
Publication of horse weights could very much be considered an ‘integrity’ benefit, imo. Anthing which increases confidence in a sceptical market, must surely be considered benefical, and this kind of information would at least make punters think that BHA are not working actively againt them.
The "not cost effective" argument simply doesn’t stand up to any scrutiny, imo. Although it’s difficult to prove conclusively, the increase in turnover/Levy generated by increased confidence in the betting market/product, would surely easily outweigh the costs of installing the necessary infrastructure to support weight publication, over – say – a five year span?
If the BHA are suggesting it doesn’t, then they should show the research which proves it. That would at least show that they have conducted a professional analysis, and that their position is based on sound logic.
Otherwise, it’s just more blowing of smoke up our collective buttons.
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I’m sure the over-paid suits at ‘Do We Cheatem And How: Marketing Consultancy’ addressed this issue at the BHA’s request, Grass, but word has it that Ben and Brian were sceptical and the idea was immediately dismissed.
(I believe both were later spotted in a car park with Dean McKeown, though the BHA, as unlikely as ever to rock the boat, decided not make such information public)
the birth place of all conspiracy theories …….
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