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No professional punters over the sticks? Says Tom Segal

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    clivexx
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    in this weeks Weekender

    The implication being that pros only go for the flat

    True or not?

    #249898
    rory
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    Considerably less I’d imagine, but not "none".

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    Roddy Owen
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    I think his article was really justifying why he finds it so hard to tip a winner over the sticks. The draw and going a la Veitch ,which seems to be his main angle on the flat ,for obvious reasons do not apply in the same way in NH. Interesting the split of supporters of both disciplines just leaning towards jumps I believe.
    I have known good pro punters in both,but I think NH is overall more honest ,and definitely a nicer type of supporter

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    apracing
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    He couldn’t be more wrong – he should get out more.

    AP

    #249903
    Prufrock
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    I have not read the original article, but the assertion made in the thread title is utter rubbish.

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    dave jay
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    I would have thought that the opposite was true .. agree with the statement it’s more a reflection of his own short comings rather than a fact.

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    Drone
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    I think his article was really justifying why he finds it so hard to tip a winner over the sticks.

    Haven’t read the article but…

    Sure I recall Segal saying once upon a time he actually preferred betting NH. ‘juicy Saturday handicaps’ ‘where the heart is’ or words to that effect.

    He may well have shifted to having a preference for the Flat, but his assertion that there are no ‘pros’ betting NH is plain daft. Even for someone with as limited an exposure to my punting brethren as I know (or at least knew) there are/were more ‘serious’ punters over t’sticks, if the on-course rings of a few years ago remain a reliable guide today.

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    carvillshill
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    Tom Segal is like the gorgeous girl we’ve all admired from afar only to be disappointed when she opens her mouth. A tipping genius, but talks absolute shoite.

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    robert99
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    In defence of TS he actually wrote "..of all the professional punters I’ve met over the years I can count on the fingers of no hands how many have specialised in jumps racing.."

    I realise English comprehension is now at an all time low, but he did not write "No professional punters over the sticks".

    More worrying for a professional writer on the sport is that he does not seem to know the comparison of winning favourites between the codes, nor how to predict the pace and pace suitability for jump horses even though they run season after season.

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    Prufrock
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    Thanks, robert99.

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    Prufrock
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    It’s a bit like someone saying the number of people they know who buy The Weekender could be counted on the fingers of no hands (true in my case, to the best of my knowledge): it would say more about the company that person keeps and/or their powers of observation than about the sales of The Weekender.

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    clivexx
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    I think we know what he meant robert and even if he "hadnt met" it would be seriously strange if he was unaware. Not a big world racing is it?

    I thought it sounded like crap too and the near assertion that jumps has a bigger element of luck doesnt make sense to me at all

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    Mounty
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    I think John Noakes is jumps only

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    % MAN
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    I know of one professional who has now switched "almost exclusively" to NH

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    graysonscolumn
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    It’s a bit like someone saying the number of people they know who buy The Weekender could be counted on the fingers of no hands (true in my case, to the best of my knowledge)

    I still buy it, Pruf, albeit only twixt November and June and only for the point-to-point editorial. Call that "on the fingers of half a finger". 8)

    gc

    The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.

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    cormack15
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    "A tipping genius"

    You sure about that Carvills – might be time to resurrect the Pricewise Challenge

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    carvillshill
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    Last time I read the RFO Dave Nevison had switched from the Flat to summer jumping.

    Fair’s fair Corm, he hit a 33-1 and a 16-1 at Ayr last week and continues to turn in long priced winners year after year. An object lesson in specialization and the value of access to the best information and a what must be a good working environment.

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