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  • #349005
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    When do we find out which distinguishing caps the JP runners will carry?

    I’m assuming that Royal Rosa will carry a red cap and King Fontaine a green one as the second colours of the Wylies and Mr Hemmings respectively.

    #349007
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    Looks like Barry Geraghty without a ride now too with withdrawl of Northern Alliance.

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    I don’t want to cram the forum with lots of detail, but am equally conscious not to be trying to drive people to my blog.

    Suffice to say that there are numerous GN Factfiles similar to the one below on my blog for anyone who’s interested.

    Thanks
    Joe
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    OSCAR TIME (IRE) FACTFILE

    b g Oscar (IRE) – Baywatch Star (IRE) (Supreme Leader)

    10-10-09 Form: 4243/2123217/23232214F/73152-263 Owner: Robert Waley-Cohen

    Trainer: Martin Lynch IRE Breeder: Edmond Coleman Jockey: Mr Sam Waley-Cohen

    Oscar Time

    Oscar Time has only won four of 28 starts but is a model of consistency, having filled the runner-up berth 10 times. The gelding passed through the sales ring for 37,000 euros as a three-year-old at Tattersalls Ireland in August, 2004, with Martin Lynch the buyer. As a four-year-old at Goffs in May, 2005, Emerald Bloodstock paid 40,000 euros for him. The gelding started his racing career at Martin Lynch’s Stepaside yard in the ownership of Navan-based Eamon Kane. Having made his debut with a fourth place in a Roscommon bumper in October, 2006, Oscar Time won at the sixth attempt in that sphere, defeating subsequent Grade One winner Weapon’s Amnesty by half a length at Thurles in January, 2008.

    A victory over hurdles followed that April but his biggest success to date came over fences when winning the Paddy Power Chase at Leopardstown in December, 2009, in which he defeated Siegemaster by seven lengths. In April, 2010, Oscar Time showed his potential for the John Smith’s Grand National when finishing runner-up to Bluesea Cracker in the Irish Grand National at Fairyhouse. Following that effort, Robert Waley-Cohen and Sir Martin Broughton purchased the gelding with Waley-Cohen going on to say: “He was bought with the specific target of going to the National. He was second in the Irish National last year and Sam rides him. He has the perfect profile."

    Oscar Time has raced thrice this season, each time ridden by Waley-Cohen’s son, the Gold Cup-winning amateur, Sam Waley-Cohen. After finishing second to Rick in the Rock Of Cashel Hurdle at Thurles in November, Oscar Time was then a good sixth in a competitive three-mile handicap hurdle at Leopardstown in December. His latest start came over fences when third in the Grade Two BobbyJo Chase at Fairyhouse on February 23, five lengths behind The Midnight Club.

    Race Record: Starts: 28; Wins; 4; 2nd: 10; 3rd; 6: Win & Place Prize Money: £194,237

    Robert Waley-Cohen

    Robert Waley-Cohen enjoyed his greatest day as an owner in March, 2011, when his amateur rider son Sam Waley-Cohen partnered Long Run to win the Cheltenham Gold Cup, trained by long-time friend Nicky Henderson. The gelding, at six the youngest Gold Cup winner since Mill House in 1963, had landed the King George VI Chase at Kempton in December, aged five. Although Robert Waley-Cohen had a few rides in point-to-points, he described himself as an incredibly bad amateur – “Wrong shape, wrong weight, not fit enough – basically, just thoroughly incompetent”. Born on November 10, 1948 and the founder of healthcare giant Alliance Medical, Robert Waley-Cohen is no stranger to big race success at Aintree as his Rustle won the Bumper in 1987 and the Sefton Novices’ Hurdle the following season while Wont Be Gone Long took the Topham Chase in 1990 and Liberthine collected the same race in 2006 under Sam.

    He trains a few horses himself under permit and sent out Katarino to win the John Smith’s Fox Hunters’ Chase in 2005 and 2006 again ridden by Sam. A member of the Jockey Club since 1983, where he has been a steward, he has a small team of around 10 broodmares at Upton Viva in Warwickshire and is also a director of Cheltenham racecourse – he will become Chairman of Cheltenham racecourse when Lord Vestey steps down at the end of this season. He has horses in training with Guillaume Macaire in France as well as Nicky Henderson. His son Tom died of cancer in July, 2004, making Liberthine and Katarino’s exploits even more poignant. Tom’s Ward at Oxford Children’s Hospital is named after him.

    John Smith’s Grand National Record: 2003 Katarino (UR 15th); 2007 Liberthine (5th)

    Martin Lynch IRE

    Stepaside, County Dublin trainer Martin Lynch (born June 6, 1958) is a former jockey who enjoyed his biggest day in the saddle when winning the 1990 Vincent O’Brien Gold Cup on the John Upson-trained Nick The Brief. The Meath native learned his trade as an amateur rider with Clem Magnier and John Fowler, winning the Morgiana Hurdle on Fowler’s Royal Dipper. After turning professional, Lynch won the 1985 Thyestes Chase aboard Seskin Bridge and was second to Rhyme N’ Reason on the same horse in that year’s Irish Grand National. He rode Elfast to win the Mildmay Of Flete at the 1992 Cheltenham Festival before hanging up his riding boots. After taking out a trainer’s licence in Ireland, he leased Bill Durkan’s yard at Glencairn before relocating shortly afterwards to Middleton Park in County Westmeath.

    As a trainer, he enjoyed the biggest success of his career when Oscar Time landed the 190,000 euros Paddy Power Chase at Leopardstown in December, 2009. He is married to former trainer Suzanne Finn, a herbalist and acupuncturist, who is credited by the trainer with helping prepare the fussy eater Oscar Time for the Paddy Power Chase. He also trained the high-class Colonel Yeager to finish fourth in the 1999 Grade One Supreme Novices’ Hurdle at the Cheltenham Festival. Lynch has never trained more than five winners in a season, which he achieved in the 1995/96 and 1996/97 seasons.

    John Smith’s Grand National Record: No previous runners

    Mr Sam Waley-Cohen

    Sam Waley-Cohen, 28, was born on April 15, 1982. In March of this year, he became the first amateur rider to partner a Cheltenham Gold Cup winner since Jim Wilson in 1981, when triumphing aboard Long Run, on whom he had also won the King George VI Chase at Kempton in December, 2009. His father Robert Waley-Cohen owns Long Run and is a director of Cheltenham Racecourse (soon to be Chairman), permit holder and owner/breeder who has most of his horses in training with Nicky Henderson. Sam studied politics at Edinburgh University and lives in London. He has established his own dental company, Portman Healthcare. He started out on the point-to-point circuit and is now a high-profile amateur rider with several prestigious prizes under his belt. His first success under Rules came aboard Moscow Dancer in an amateur riders’ handicap hurdle at Kelso on December 1, 2003. Liberthine gave Sam a first Cheltenham Festival victory in the 2005 Mildmay Of Flete Handicap Chase. His record at Aintree is the envy of many professional riders, with three wins from 10 starts over the Grand National fences. His first triumph over the famous course came aboard his father’s Katarino in the 2005 John Smith’s Fox Hunter’s Chase.

    The pair followed up in the 2006 John Smith’s Fox Hunters’ Chase and Sam enjoyed a fantastic double as he also guided Liberthine to victory in the following day’s John Smith’s Topham Chase over the big spruce fences. His successes over the Grand National course prompted a change in the rules, which prevented riders from participating in the main event if they had ridden less than 15 winners under Rules. Riders are now able to ride in the race, at the discretion of the BHA, if they have partnered 10 winners under Rules. Waley-Cohen took advantage of this new ruling in the 2007 John Smith’s Grand National to partner Liberthine around Aintree once more and the pair enjoyed a superb race, leading for much of the second circuit before fading to finish fifth behind Silver Birch.

    Waley-Cohen returned to Aintree in 2008 to partner Katarino in the John Smith’s Fox Hunter’s Chase and the 13-year-old, making his first appearance since winning the same race two years earlier, produced a game front-running performance, only to be passed at the elbow by Christy Beamish. Waley-Cohen enjoyed a productive season on both sides of the English Channel in 2008/09, winning an amateur steeplechase at Auteuil just days after partnering Tricky Trickster to victory in the National Hunt Chase at the Cheltenham Festival. Last season, he enjoyed Grade One success aboard Long Run in the Feltham Novices’ Chase, while he rode Isn’t That Lucky to finish third in the Topham Chase at Aintree, although Little Rocker fell at the sixth fence in the John Smith Fox Hunters’. Waley-Cohen is a close friend Prince William and Kate Middleton and is widely credited with reuniting the pair following their brief break-up in 2007. The future Queen was at school with Sam’s brother, Tom, who died of bone cancer, aged 20, in 2004. Sam is engaged to be married to party planner Annabel Ballin in June.

    John Smith’s Grand National Record: 2007 Liberthine (5th); 2009 Ollie Magern (Fell 2nd)

    #349015
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    TY Mr Martin and Mr NTD,


    Worth an EW bet IMHO :)

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    Form Horse Age/Wgt Owner Trainer/Probable Jockeys

    1) P1-P000 DON’T PUSH IT (IRE) 11-11-10 J P McManus Jonjo O’Neill/Tony McCoy

    2) 04-3226 TIDAL BAY (IRE) 10-11-09 Andrea & Graham Wylie Howard Johnson/Brian Hughes

    3) 211-524 WHAT A FRIEND 8-11-06 Ged Mason & Sir Alex Ferguson Paul Nicholls/Daryl Jacob

    4) 1B-0044 VIC VENTURI (IRE) 11-11-06 Seamus Dunne Dessie Hughes IRE/Andrew Lynch

    5) U62/1-31 MAJESTIC CONCORDE (IRE) 8-11-05 Dr Ronan Lambe Dermot Weld IRE/Mr Robbie McNamara

    6) 42F14 OR NOIR DE SOMOZA (FR) 9-11-05 Filsal Stadeg Racing David Pipe/Tom Scudamore

    7) 1F24-41 DOONEYS GATE (IRE) 10-11-04 Jackie Mullins Willie Mullins IRE/Mr Patrick Mullins

    8) 14-2F44 BIG FELLA THANKS 9-11-01 Crossed Fingers Partnership Ferdy Murphy/Graham Lee

    9) 205-244 THE TOTHER ONE (IRE) 10-11-00 Graham Roach Paul Nicholls/Mr Ryan Mahon

    10) 111-112 BALLABRIGGS (IRE) 10-11-00 Trevor Hemmings Donald McCain/Jason Maguire

    11) 3133-21 THE MIDNIGHT CLUB (IRE) 10-10-13 Susannah Ricci Willie Mullins IRE/Ruby Walsh

    12) 20P-F50 NICHE MARKET (IRE) 10-10-13 Graham Regan Paul Nicholls/Harry Skelton

    13) 121-001 SILVER BY NATURE 9-10-12 Geoff Brown Lucinda Russell/Peter Buchanan

    14) 0BP-500 BACKSTAGE (FR) 9-10-12 MPR & Capranny Syndicate Gordon Elliott IRE/Paul Carberry

    15) 11-053F CHIEF DAN GEORGE (IRE) 11-10-12 Maurice Chapman Jimmy Moffatt/Paddy Aspell

    16) 4-56242 CALGARY BAY (IRE) 8-10-10 Camilla Radford Henrietta Knight/Hadden Frost

    17) 2P-2536 KILLYGLEN (IRE) 9-10-10 David McCammon Stuart Crawford IRE/Robert Power

    18) 152-263 OSCAR TIME (IRE) 10-10-09 Robert Waley-Cohen/Sir Martin & Steve Broughton Martin Lynch IRE/ Mr Sam Waley-Cohen

    19) 10-1131 QUINZ (FR) 7-10-08 Andrew Cohen Philip Hobbs/Richard Johnson

    20) 2212-42 BECAUSEICOULDNTSEE (IRE) 8-10-08 Noel Glynn Noel Glynn IRE/Davy Russell

    21) 000-06P COMPLY OR DIE (IRE) 12-10-08 David Johnson David Pipe/Timmy Murphy

    22) F-FF25P QUOLIBET (FR) 7-10-08 J P McManus Jonjo O’Neill/Mark Walsh

    23) 1FP10P GRAND SLAM HERO (IRE) 10-10-07 Walters Plant Hire Ltd Nigel Twiston-Davies/Aidan Coleman

    24) 0/144/P3- STATE OF PLAY 11-10-06 William & Angela Rucker Evan Williams/Paul Moloney

    25) 11-11P5 KING FONTAINE (IRE) 8-10-06 Trevor Hemmings Malcolm Jefferson/Denis O’Regan

    26) U-3431U IN COMPLIANCE (IRE) 11-10-05 Westerly Breeze Syndicate Dessie Hughes IRE/Leighton Aspell

    27) 005P-1P HELLO BUD (IRE) 13-10-05 Seamus Murphy Nigel Twiston-Davies/Sam Twiston-Davies

    28) P/00-11P WEST END ROCKER (IRE) 9-10-05 Barry Winfield & Tim Leadbeater Alan King/Robert Thornton

    29) 200010 SANTA’S SON (IRE) 11-10-05 Douglas Pryde & Jim Beaumont Howard Johnson/Jamie Moore

    30) C21-046 BLUESEA CRACKER (IRE) 9-10-04 J P McManus James Motherway IRE/Andrew McNamara

    31) 01050 THAT’S RHYTHM (FR) 11-10-04 Don’t Tell Henry Martin Todhunter/James Reveley

    32) P2/111/-0 SURFACE TO AIR 10-10-04 Tim Urry Chris Bealby/Tom Messenger

    33) P-234PP PIRAYA (FR) 8-10-04 Terry Neill David Pipe/Johnny Farrelly

    34) 6F-0P5P CAN’T BUY TIME (IRE) 9-10-04 J P McManus Jonjo O’Neill/Richie McLernon

    35) 0-30563 CHARACTER BUILDING (IRE) 11-10-04 Patricia Thompson John Quinn/Miss Nina Carberry

    36) 15/1P/-52 ORNAIS (FR) 9-10-04 The Stewart Family Paul Nicholls/Nick Scholfield

    37) U2U-0P2 ARBOR SUPREME (IRE) 9-10-03 J P McManus Willie Mullins IRE/David Casey

    38) P5U-42P ROYAL ROSA (FR) 12-10-03 Andrea & Graham Wylie Howard Johnson/Paul Gallagher

    39) 313-011 SKIPPERS BRIG (IRE) 10-10-02 Ashleybank Investments Limited Nicky Richards/Dominic Elsworth

    40) 210010 GOLDEN KITE (IRE) 9-10-02 Dr Anthony Calnan Adrian Maguire IRE/Shane Hassett

    40 declared runners

    FOUR RESERVES

    R1 006004 ALWAYS WAINING (IRE) 10-10-02 Mr & Mrs Peter James Douglas Peter Bowen/?

    R2 402P-02 FAASEL (IRE) 10-10-01 Jim Ennis David Pipe/?

    R3 02043P LE BEAU BAI (FR) 8-10-01 Glass Half Full Richard Lee/?

    R4 123-P22 GILES CROSS (IRE) 9-10-00 KCMS Partnership Victor Dartnall/?

    #349020
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    postal final field plus reserves in separate thread

    vf

    #349059
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    Notre Pere’s connections must be kicking themselves. National course is soft with a few light showers still expected.

    I’m going all outsiders this year. Nothing shorter than 33/1!

    Vic Venturi
    The Tother One
    Chief Dan George
    Calgary Bay
    Killyglen

    Oooh think of the winnings :lol:

    #349071
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    I keep looking at Killyglen. Grand Slam Hero has gone out to 100/1; wouldn’t back it at less than that, but can’t resist that price. Very high RPR and has won over 27f. Can’t jump, but at 100/1 I’m prepared to ignore that minor detail.

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    West End Rocker (nap)
    Ballabriggs (nb)
    Grand Slam Hero
    Calgary Bay

    gl 8)

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    Notre Pere’s connections must be kicking themselves. National course is soft with a few light showers still expected.

    I’m going all outsiders this year. Nothing shorter than 33/1!

    Vic Venturi
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    Chief Dan George
    Calgary Bay
    Killyglen

    Oooh think of the winnings :lol:

    The National course is good to soft at the moment, probably end up good, good to soft come Saturday as its expected to be warm and sunny in the North West tomorrow.

    I’ve always been keen on Calgary Bay for a big race win at some point, you have to take notice when three time Gold Cup winning trainer Henrietta Knight’s days it’s the best horse she’s trained since Best Mate. Although he’s not lived up to expectations so far, maybe the National fences will be the making of him – he’s always been a fantastic jumper, it’s just whether he’ll stay or not (not been further than 3m1f). The ground is also favourable. Only negative is his poor course form (in the Bowl last year and Manifesto 2009). All things considered though, he has to be a good eachway bet at 33/1.

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    what about king fontaine as a lively outsider 66/1

    vf

    #349109
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    what about king fontaine as a lively outsider 66/1

    vf

    I gave him a mention a few posts back as a main selection of mine, but i got rid of him in the end because of his lack of experience over the bigger obstacles and his really sketchy jumping. I’m expecting him to hit one too many out there to really figure.

    #349117
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    thanks its one my dad was asking about after listening to radio

    vf

    #349157
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    Well i`ve gone early this year ,bets placed:

    Calgary Bay
    Or Noir de Somoza
    Tidal Bay
    Quolibet

    waiting till tomorrow to see if i can get outrageous odds on Cant Buy Time and Piraya :wink:

    #349160
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    thanks its one my dad was asking about after listening to radio

    vf

    Mickey Quinn on Talk Sport i think.

    If he jumps round he could be the sort to spring a surprise ,it is an iff ,though as you know sometimes horses pick their feet up there better than park courses.

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    27.

    1-11P5

    King Fontaine

    (25 days) 8 10-6 Malcom Jefferson 142
    Several jumping errors last two starts. Only 5th off 2 lbs better mark in Spinal Research Chase, 32 lengths behind winner Bensalem. Pulled up in another big field (3½m). Not many sired by King’s Theatre are true stayers. Upped 13 lbs since last win. Proven on heavy and good going. D O’Regan

    Kings Fontaine does not jump, won’t stay, does not like big fields, ran below form last time, been raised 13 lbs since his last win in a moderate race. What is there to like about his chance?

    My estimate of his fair chance is 0.125% 800/1, allowing for a margin for error, would not even take 1000/1. But I could be wrong.

    Value Is Everything
    #349170
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    Ginger I am backing In Compliance too, can you give me your thoughts on him?

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