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  • #32978
    davidjohnson
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    Cut the guy some slack. He gave us the arc winner at 20/1 weeks in advance. Just unfortunate for him it paid 24/1 on the day.

    #32979
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    Not read The Weekender article, but if he’s saying the same as on his website

    I honestly don’t understand why the British racing press seem so keen on Kauto Star. The top three Irish chasers Kicking King, War Of Attrition and Beef Or Salmon all routinely run six to twelve lengths faster over three miles according to my speed ratings

    <br>I can see nothing wrong  in it

    #32980
    Prufrock
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    The fact that Mordin fails to understand in this context is that races are not run in order for horses to achieve the fastest possible times. That simply is not their purpose.

    As a result, overall race times do not always reflect precisely the true merits of the horses. Analysis of overall race times is therefore useful only part of the time, no matter how much he pretends otherwise.

    #32981
    Prufrock
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    Someone with a logical mind would have grasped this long ago: he has had it pointed out to him.

    #32982
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    Apologies Clivex didn’t see you’d copied the same statement

    <br>This is the key part imo  

    according to my speed ratings

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    (Edited by empty wallet at 9:22 pm on Dec. 6, 2006)

    #32983
    Prufrock
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    I entered this discussion because someone made the statement that they thought that Mordin was about applying logic.

    Thank you for making my case, empty.

    #32984
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    Thats it Pru,

    He’s using his figures,  his figures are telling him different to others and he’s telling us what they are telling him

    What is wrong with that?

    <br>We could debate the why’s and where for’s, but Mordin seems not to have gone into any detail on this from what i can gather<br>

    (Edited by empty wallet at 9:23 pm on Dec. 6, 2006)

    #32985
    clivex
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    no problem empty :)

    Prufrock summed it up nicely…

    #32986
    Gareth Flynn
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    He’s using his figures,  his figures are telling him different to others and he’s telling us what they are telling him

    What is wrong with that?

    He should ignore them and go with the general consensus, of course.

    Because the general consensus is always right…

    #32987
    Prufrock
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    He can do what he likes. But he, and his apologists, should not try to pass off stupidity as "logic". Trying to pretend that overall race times are the sole measure of how good a horse is, which is what he is doing here and has done countless times before, comes into that category.

    (Edited by Prufrock at 9:39 pm on Dec. 6, 2006)

    #32988
    Gareth Flynn
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    His "apologists"? Jesus, enough of the hyperbole. You’d swear he was a Holocaust-denier.

    #32989
    Prufrock
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    He should ignore them and go with the general consensus, of course.

    Presumably that was what he was trying to avoid in chapter six of "Winning Without Thinking".

    It is entitled "Force equals mass over acceleration".

    Newton’s second law states that force equals mass TIMES acceleration.

    But what did Newton know, and shouldn’t Mordin be congratulated on being "different"?

    #32990
    Gareth Flynn
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    Wow, picking him up on an editorial gaffe. Classy stuff.

    #32991
    Prufrock
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    APOLOGIST n. a person who argues in defence or justification of another person or cause.

    #32992
    Prufrock
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    This is the same person who argues that weight has a negative effect.

    Still, at least he’s being different, eh?

    #32993
    Gareth Flynn
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    Wow, that’s me convinced.

    Erm, a negative effect on what?

    #32994
    Prufrock
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    An effect opposite to that described by the laws of physics.

    If F=m/a is a genuine mistake then I will remove that objection. But Mordin plays fast and loose with facts throughout that particular book. Presumably because it enables him to be "different".

    (Edited by Prufrock at 10:15 pm on Dec. 6, 2006)

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