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Was Afsoun not hampered by a poor preparation for the Triumph? I seem to recall there being a doubt about him running because he wasn’t eating his food. Has he not shown when winning the Gerry Feilden that that run didn’t do him justice
Surely the point is that unless BoS was unwell, unlucky in running or unfit, KS has proved that he is the faster horse by the simple expedient of thrashing him by 17 lengths (could have been twice that) off level weights. There were no excuses for BoS, he was fit, ready and in decent form. KS was faster than him.
BoS has raced many more times over fences than KS, is either at his peak or just past it and has therefore shown all that he has to show in terms of speed. KS is at the beginning of a hopefully long and successful career and can only improve.
Form and fitness are dynamic. The latest evidence (at Haydock) indicates that KS is faster than BoS. If BoS is the faster horse, why did he not even come close beating KS?
He proved he was the faster horse on the day.
He’s almost certainly going to remain the faster horse.
This does not make it impossible that he didn’t run as fast as BoS had done previously.
Why is this simple fact so hard to grasp?
He proved he was the faster horse on the day.
He’s almost certainly going to remain the faster horse
Precisely.
Im very dubious about speed ratings over the sticks frankly, but even so, did BOS really run well below his top form at Haydock?
He jumped as well as ive seen him (not saying much) and apart from the fact he was being niggled to keep up with a quicker pace than hes used to, travelled ok and went through with his effort at the end of the race (for what it was worth).
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Was Afsoun not hampered by a poor preparation for the Triumph? I seem to recall there being a doubt about him running because he wasn’t eating his food.
Definately the case, recall that well…cos i was going to back him:(
did BOS really run well below his top form at Haydock?
Well if he did run to his best, Kauto Star is a 190+ horse and L’Ami has improved about 10lbs.
Aranalde – that’s my subjective opinion, not Nick Mordin’s or Topspeed’s, it doesn’t change their ratings one bit.
(Edited by Gareth Flynn at 2:40 pm on Dec. 6, 2006)
Going round in circles a little here, but I think the essential point is that I am interested in which horse is the fastest right now. The latest evidence is that KS is faster than BoS and is likely to get faster. If Mordin’s ratings or rather his analysis of them is telling him that BoS is the faster horse then I still contend that something amiss, either with his ratings or his analysis of them. Speed ratings are only as good as their compiler and should always be placed in context. The context is that BoS was beaten out of sight with no excuses by an improving horse.
Either way, I fail to see how the adjective ‘slow’ can be used to describe KS with any credibility.
Gareth
Didnt say he ran to his best… but didnt appear to run wildly below it either. Not visually …anyway. And no excuses from the trainer
His best is reserved for "just so" conditions anyway :)
I think he ran a fine race, similar to Down Royal really, but not nearly as well as in the Henessey last season for example. I think the RP ratings have him about right.
As for excuses from the trainer, if there’d been any you wouldn’t believe them for a second!
(Edited by Gareth Flynn at 3:38 pm on Dec. 6, 2006)
To be honest it’s difficult to take the guy seriously when he comes out with such utter nonsense. Lets see Beef Or Salmon win a Grade 1 over two miles then maybe, just maybe there might be a case for an argument over which horse is the faster.
It’s just silliness on Mordins part.
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Probably best that none of you go near his just-updated website… :biggrin:
(Edited by Gareth Flynn at 4:21 pm on Dec. 6, 2006)
I always thought Mordin was about applying logic
You may want to think about that again. Mordin is many things – entertaining, industrious, occasionally inspired – but in the logic stakes he could get beaten by a schoolchild.
Quote: from Prufrock on 5:46 pm on Dec. 6, 2006[br…in the logic stakes he could get beaten by a schoolchild.
<br>He may well be making money out of the sport because others think that.
Rob
The top three Irish chasers Kicking King, War Of Attrition and Beef Or Salmon all routinely run six to twelve lengths faster over three miles according to my speed ratings
from his site (Gareth)
Well "routinely" by the nature of the phrase must include Haydock. But maybe he did beat KS at Haydock on the speed rating but not on the actual course?! Is that possible?
Could racing be held in a sort of third dimension here?
Will horses actually lose races when they have run faster than the winner? Does Stephen Hawking have an answer? :cheesy:
Is he on this forum?
He may well be making money out of the sport because others think that.
Are you actually suggesting that Mordin makes a living from punting?
Surely the reason he makes money out of the sport is that there are enough people – readers of his books, the editor of The Weekender, gullible subscribers to his chronically underachieving tipping line – around who think he is on to something. ÂÂÂ
(Edited by Prufrock at 7:44 pm on Dec. 6, 2006)
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