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With the flat turf season coming to its end next weekend and jump racing taking centre stage. What horses in training would anyone like to see become a jumps sire? I think Centennial will make a cracking NH sire as will Campanologist.
Coolmore must be spolit for choice for the next horse to become a jumps sire not only is it likely that Yeats and Septimus will join there NH sire roster in there next 2 years but there have no shortage of other horses as potential jump sire material they have older horses like Honolulu, Macathur and even Solider of Fortune but also 3 year olds like Frozen Fire and King of Rome as potential NH sires nearly all of them related to Sadlers Wells.
Theres a lot of horses by Coolmore flat sires becoming good quality hurdlers these days Indian Groom, Celestial Halo, Jack the Giant and Cork All Star are all by Coolmore flat stallions so how long will it be before we see a Champion Hurdle winner by either Galileo or Montjeu. I can see both Galileo and Montjeu finishing in the top 10 jumps sires in the next 8-10 years.
So are there any horses in training that might become the next Presenting or the next Flemensfirth.
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Any idea’s how you can tell which flat horse will make a good NH sire?
Lurcarno, last years st leger winner, lovely big stamp of a horse, by dynaformer whose stock get better with age and who has sired a grade won winning chaser in the USA. He looks a national hunt sire in the making, handsome and a stayer, people with chase winning mares will be send him their mares mobile numbers when he goes too stud.
Lurcarno, last years st leger winner, lovely big stamp of a horse, by dynaformer whose stock get better with age and who has sired a grade won winning chaser in the USA. He looks a national hunt sire in the making, handsome and a stayer, people with chase winning mares will be send him their mares mobile numbers when he goes too stud.
Rubbish. Mares don’t have opposable thumbs….
You really want a well-made, tough horse with good bone, as well as a classy performer.
Of those you mention, they could possibly all fit the bill, except that Yeats surely deserves some quality flat mares. He’s got Group 2 winning form at 10f and Group 1 at 12f.
I’m not too sure about Honolulu, he’s a bit slow and he may not have an overabundance of courage.
There may be a danger in swamping the NH breeding arena with Sadler’s Wells stallions. They don’t all have a lot of bone and substance, and anyway, an excess of inbreeding to SW or Northern Dancer in NH bloodlines might not be a great idea in the longer term.
One thing that’s often forgotten when looking for prospective NH sires is speed. Not all successful sires are stayers – in recent years you’ve had Strong Gale (best at around 10f), Anshan (8f), Supreme Leader (8 to10f), and the aforementioned Flemensfirth (10f) who’ve all helped to introduce some speed into what can often become rather plodding female lines.
A lot of top jumpers have been sired by sprinters or milers:
Animals like Champion Hurdlers Night Nurse (by 5f horse Falcon), Comedy Of Errors (5f Goldhill), Sublimity (8f Selkirk).
Gold Cup winners Alverton (8-9f Midsummer Night), Burrough Hill Lad (8f Richboy) and Desert Orchid (7-8f Grey Mirage).
Grand National winners West Tip (8-9f Gala Performance), Mr Frisk (8f Bivouac), and, of course, Red Rum (7-8f Quorum).
Ven sums it up nicely regarding the strength of the SW’s influence.
Of all the Coolmore NH sires I think Bach will be their best prospect. Tough as they came, stood up to alot of race over a few seasons, returned from a serious injury to race well, plenty of class over a mile to 10 furlongs and handled all sorts of ground.
Caerleon (sire of Bach) has produced Overbury (sire of Missed That, Publican, Simon) already so I give Bach a fighting chance at being above average.
I agree with you about Bach, he could be ok. He seems to possess the right qualities of speed, soundness and durability, and has made a promising start with his first crop (4-y-os).
Gamut is my pin stick to make a decent jumping sire…….eventually.
Was Gamut really sound?
I agree about Lucarno – he could well make a decent NH sire and I was only discussing him recently about a potential stallion for one of my fillies.
Mountain High was a big, burly, robust campaigner who upon reading he would become a NH sire, I thought would cover quite well.
Looking forward to seeing Vinnie Roe’s progeny on the track. Can see him producing some nice late maturing types.
Golan is showing up nicely with his hurdlers and served a massive 200+ book of NH mares last season.
Vinnie Roe always looked a rather small horse, not egsactly some of these national hunt breeders cup of tea.
They need too limit Golans books, two hundred mares is madness, epscallu given the state of the economy. Plus in New Zealand he is a decent flat sire.
Vinnie Roe always looked a rather small horse, not egsactly some of these national hunt breeders cup of tea
He wouldn’t have been a giant imposing type alright but he wouldn’t have been the smallest. He certainly took his racing well throughout his career and seemed to improve with age.
Coolmore certainly look to have some very nice NH stallion prospects on their roster. Maybe Aidan might be persuaded to take out the jumps license again to try and stop the Ditcheat domination!
Golan is showing up nicely with his hurdlers and served a massive 200+ book of NH mares last season.
Yeah, but how many of them were real quality?? I’d be prepared to bet the majority were as slow as boats.
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