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my favourite JB comment was when he said "i wish people would make their mind up" when referring to how punters seem to be annoyed with him for declaring horses non runners then annoyed again when he declares them as runners – the poor man can’t win, he thinks
Bolger has simply been giving the racing public the runaround, a trait which is becoming all too apparent in Irish trainers – Dermot Weld in particular. I don’t think that any blame can be placed at the feet of Sheikh Mohammed, not least because he (well, his wife) has owned the horse since the end of last season.
It was also interesting to note that Orizaba was purchased for a ‘private sum’ by Sheikh Mohammed’s son this afternoon – how long before he’s with Bin Suroor and immediately retired?
I do think Bolger’s decision is bizarre as he did say all along his preference was the Irish Derby. However to say Dermot Weld has been giving punters the run around is incorrect. He has been very much upfront with punters stating that both his contenders for the Oaks and Derby were backward and his filly had no come in her coat. Why do you think he was not upfront?
JohnJ.
Finsceal Beo all over again… Bolger has no plan B in my opinion – ever.
New Approach probably won’t win the Derby as Bolger has been training him to be a miler – Just like he did FB, who for some reason he persists with running over 10f when she blatantly does not stay…
He is a good trainer of horses but not the best planner of a horses season.
rare that i agree with Johnjo….
But Weld has been as as fair and open as you would want and he noticably (perhaps in response to Bolger) bigged up the value and prestige of the Derby in the press last weekI myself do not think Bolger has said much wrong, possibly he should have said "any option is possible but the English Derby is highly unlikely".
With all due respect Ginger, that is patent nonsense. The beef we all have is that Bolger said only days ago that New Approach had been left in the race "by mistake" and that there was no chance of him running, hence his price of 210 on Betfair. I would have had no problem if he had left the door ajar saying that no decision had been made but he twice stated that the race was not on his radar, putting away anyone who had an ante-post bet.
This race may well be a good option for him (would have been better had he trained him for it and missed the Irish Guineas) but his blatant disregard for the betting public yet again (remember the Teofilio "nap") is inexcusable.Well said carvills, I agree entirely.
I have nothing against trainers keeping running plans to themselves until a decision has been made, but that is a world away from deliberately misleading the betting public by blatantly lying about a horse’s intended target.
A big pinch of salt needed with Mr Bolger’s comments, lesson learned…
Dermot Weld’s statements regarding the participation of Casual Conquest went along the lines of:
‘…he’s done that well, he’ll now go for the Irish Derby…’
‘…the Irish Derby is the target, not Epsom…’
‘…I would say he’s an almost certain non-runner for the Derby…’
‘…a decision on Epsom will be made immedaitely after a racecourse gallop…’
‘…he worked pleasingly, a decision will be made tonight…’
‘…a decision will be made as soon as I have spoken to Mr Haeffner…’
‘…I say we should run, it is down to Mr Haeffner…’
‘…we’re running…’
He’s gone from all but rulling Epsom out in favour of the Irish Derby, something plenty were complaining about on TRF, to suggesting he might run on the back of what turned out to be a mediocre racecourse workout. Then, after delaying the decision for another day or two, he made clear his desire to run but put all of the pressure on the owners – if they say know following his recommendation (which, as I say, was a bloody long time coming) then they’re to blame, and if not Weld’s no worse off.
If only all trainers were as helpful.
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Dear Glenn,
With regard to the following:
The most sordid aspect of all this is that insiders, in the cosy little club privy to the entries, were clearly dipping their bread as the price graph in the Racing Post shows. The BHA, as usual, are facilitating the picking of punters’ pockets. The entries are finalised at 10am but they have a two hour window for insiders to fill their boots before these are announced to the punting public. Shaby isn’t the word.
The time for confirmation of entries in the Derby was noon, not 10am as you state. The graph in the Racing Post shows that New Approach’s price shortened by less than 1 point between noon and 6pm, having shortened from three figures into 8.4 in the preceding four hours.
Will you withdraw the above accusation, now that I have shown it to be groundless?
I post this in full knowledge that I will now qualify as your new hate figure.
Best regards,
Marcus
As much as I admire John Oxx as a trainer, to suggest Dermot Weld lives in his shadow shows a distinct lack of familiarity with both trainer’s past achievements.
If Jim Bolger ends up filling my pockets on Saturday night then I could care very little if he played us all for fools.
The quote of a man who truly loves the sport
I am really struggling to find the reason for this "Witch Hunt" against Dermot Weld. Immediately after the Derrinstown Weld stated that the horse was quite backward and he had a problem with the entry system for the Epsom Derby, however if the owners were willing to pay the 75k, then the horse would be entered. On this basis some bookmakers priced the horse up with a run and some didn’t. At no stage did Dermot Weld give punters the "run around" as its being suggested here.
As for comparing John Oxx against Weld’s training ability is quite ridiculous, both are extremely skilled trainers.
JohnJ
Agree JJ with your last line.
Firefox, Weld has won nearly 30 European Classics. He has won the Melbourne Cup Twice. He has won the Belmont Stakes.
John Oxx is also a fine, and most astute trainer.
To say Weld lives in his shadow is grossly incorrect.
I agree with you whole heartedly. Go back to St. Jovite and JB and CR put on quite a display when they were faced with the real world."My horse won’t run in the Irish Derby if I am not allowed to use a suspended jockey" Then rather than get a group one jockey he put up Crane for the King George.Finally he rushed St. Jovite to be ready for the Irish Champion stakes and was beaten and in the process screwed up his prep for the Arc and the horse was removed from his care. No owner went near him after that for over ten years.Finally he bred some nice horses of his own and his wife is still his main owner.Just look at the mess he made of Finsceal Beo last year to prove what a wonderful trainer he was.As I said earlier JB keeps talking about the races he is going to win and DW talks about the races he has won.
I think the decision to run at Epsom has more to do with owner pressure than anything else. I was convinced that New Approach would win both Guineas. How wrong I was.
Indeed, I was quite disappointed with his Curragh run – suitable ground or not.
Frankly, I will be utterly gobsmacked if New Approach manages to win the Derby. Not for me, this time.
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Taking into account Jim Bolger’s previous form, anyone who takes any serious notice of what he says about running plans cannot really complain when their fingers get burnt.
I’m am not saying what he does is right or wrong – I can see the arguments for both sides – but if trainers had timeform ratings Mr B would have a double sqiggle.
Can anyone actually imagine this horse winning the Derby? I really can’t understand the fuss over New Approach who was made to look very ordinary by classic standards in the Irish 2000.
Unlike the 1000G I can’t say I am too exited about any of the horses who ran in the 2000G for me they all look quite ordinary.
Casual Conquest Derby trial was however very impresssive and immediately I thought he was a league above anything else I have seen.
I 100% couldn’t back New Approach in my wildest dreams and give him no chance against CC who may just be abit special.
You would expect him to have come on a ton from his second run whereas New Approach I think we have seen the best off.
But Weld has been as as fair and open as you would want and he noticably (perhaps in response to Bolger) bigged up the value and prestige of the Derby in the press last week
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