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I’m with Hawk Wing and Pinza. Not saying/smiling much never did Lester Piggott any harm, did it?
Good point Gus but times have changed so much since Lester’s day.
Nowadays being Mr Nice Guy is "Expected" with the media seeming to show more and more of the side of racing the public very seldom saw back then.
Lester was a Legend whereas Moore has a long long way to go before he is bombproof like the man was.
There must be a fair chance he will lose favour with some big owner if his attitude is as bad as some say. That wion’t do him any good should it happen.
I must say I agree these parades are a load of bollox and IMO should be done away with.
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Ryan Moore = Legend.
Keep up the good work Ryan.
I am of the school that a jockey has a fiduciary relationship with whoever hires him to ride.Speaking to others about that relationship is a violation of that trust. Thia includes any information he has about the horse he is paid to ride.
Plus, maybe he is simply very shy, even bordeline aspergers.
What are your medical qualifications, firefox?
I am of the school that a jockey has a fiduciary relationship with whoever hires him to ride.Speaking to others about that relationship is a violation of that trust. Thia includes any information he has about the horse he is paid to ride.
So I take it therefore, that as a matter of principle,you turn down the sound when a jockey is interviewed on television and you do not read jockey comments in the Racing Post.
Does your view of the fiduciary relationship also extend to trainers? If so I would pose the very same question to you concerning trainers comments on TV and in the racing press.
Dear oh dear.
I think the racing viewer and those who pay to attend the meeting appreciate a polite interview with the winning jockey and/or trainer.
Is that really too much to ask for?.If the owner or trainer wish to breach the rule that is their right as the purchasers of the contract to hire the jockey, and the jockey is their employee.I personally don’t try to unravel the relationship while listening to what is being broadcast nationwide.Finally politeness should always rule.
My best friend’s brother is autistic. So is my best friend’s son. I happen to admire the work of Gary Numan, who was diagnosed a few years back. Other than that, I haven’t a clue mate.
None, then.
So what are you doing, speculating about Ryan Moore like that?
People who escape diagnosis can oftn find themselves wrongly labelled by society and their social skills get progressively worse. This happened to Numan and saw him almost bankrupted by it.
In fairness, p*ssing hundreds of thousands up the wall on assorted WWII aircraft and ill-starred record labels had a hell of a lot to do with it, too…
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Jeremy Grayson. Son of immigrant. Adoptive father of two. Metadata librarian. Freelance point-to-point / horse racing writer, analyst and commentator wonk. Loves music, buses, cats, the BBC Micro, ale. Advocate of CBT, PACE and therapeutic parenting. Aspergers.
In fairness, p*ssing hundreds of thousands up the wall on assorted WWII aircraft and ill-starred record labels had a hell of a lot to do with it, too…
The guy was a SERIOUSLY good pilot.
His Mrs got him diagnosed and it has been uphill ever since.
…"uphill" latterly comprising wretched imitations of Trent Reznor’s back catalogue. That aside, yes, the point about why he set up Numa is noted, although souls far more cynical than me would suggest he actually had few other alternatives once he ceased to be a licence for Beggars Banquet to print money.
(NB From Ryan Moore to Gary Numan in six easy steps – no other racing forum gives you so much!
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Jeremy Grayson. Son of immigrant. Adoptive father of two. Metadata librarian. Freelance point-to-point / horse racing writer, analyst and commentator wonk. Loves music, buses, cats, the BBC Micro, ale. Advocate of CBT, PACE and therapeutic parenting. Aspergers.
Given Reznor cites Telekon as one of his favourite albums of all time, and and did a very good cover of Metal (from The Pleasure Principle) I think it is a little harsh to dismiss Numans recent work as Reznor rips off.
The mutual interest of the men in each other’s work is not in dispute – one may point out further that Numan cited NIN’s “Closer” as his favourite track of all time in a survey for an edition of the British Hit Singles reference book a few years back. Nevertheless, the point remains that a lot of Numan’s work has been cut from the same musical cloth as Reznor’s, and imho hasn’t been executed quite as well as the American manages it.
His first Numa release was as far back as 1984 only 3 years after “Dance” went to No 3 in the album charts, and as far as I am aware he was not dropped by Beggars.
I left the actuality of whether he was dropped or not by Beggars deliberately ambiguous, as I’m not too sure, either – Wikipedia entries suggest nothing more emphatic than a mutual disinterest in each other by the time of Warriors in 1983, his last album for the label.
How much of this was predicated by the former’s illness and the latter’s reluctance to promote him as aggressively as previously is conjectural, but the fact is Numan was losing a lot of mainstream sales and fans by the time he left Beggars, Warriors‘s performance of six weeks on the chart and a peak position of 12 contrasting sharply to the achievements of Telekon et al.
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Jeremy Grayson. Son of immigrant. Adoptive father of two. Metadata librarian. Freelance point-to-point / horse racing writer, analyst and commentator wonk. Loves music, buses, cats, the BBC Micro, ale. Advocate of CBT, PACE and therapeutic parenting. Aspergers.
I think such dismissive comparisons are best left to twisted lazy NME journalists who have barely listen to any of Numan’s recent work, and still beat him with the ’80s “Numan votes Tory” stick.
A pox on the NME and all who sail in her. I seem to remember the effective blackballing of enduring pronk nutters Cardiacs from the paper was predicated on equally questionable grounds, but I’d need to check that.
By the release of Warriors in 1983 WEA were the real “label”, Beggars Banquet having struck a deal to appear on the actual “label” as having discovered the act.
That makes sense – come to think of it they probably did the same with The Cult, having had the band on its books as Southern Death Cult and Death Cult first via its Situation Two offshoot, and later via Beggars itself.
WEA were totally committed to Numan but wanted him to use a seasoned producer.
The facetious side of me reckons that reads like an oxymoron – either a label is committed enough to let a creative force like Numan plough his own furrow as before rather than draft in a seasoned producer, or they’re not really committed to him. I expect I’m generalising horribly, though.
Where would you stand on Numan’s collaborations with the likes of Ade Fenton and Rico, incidentally? To my mind both were cases of the heart being willing but the execution not quite, quite being there. The Fenton stuff in particular got played a ton on MTV2 last year, but I didn’t quite get it. Full marks for trying, though, rather than just trotting out Cars et al in “Here And Now” retro arena tours for evermore.
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Jeremy Grayson. Son of immigrant. Adoptive father of two. Metadata librarian. Freelance point-to-point / horse racing writer, analyst and commentator wonk. Loves music, buses, cats, the BBC Micro, ale. Advocate of CBT, PACE and therapeutic parenting. Aspergers.
Aspergers is a mild form of autism
Now, I’m no medical expert either but I think you’ll find that Asperger’s Syndrome is not a ‘mild form’ of anything, but a condition in its own right.
What a thread. Jockey’s tantrums, lengthy musical essays and now Medical advice….
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