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    Avatar photoGingertipster
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    Done Ribchester with a saver on Massaat

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    #1317184
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    I can’t get Ribchester beat here, but then I can’t have him at his price. I’m a fan of Inns of Court (had him lto when he got chinned), but I’m not sure he’s up to beating Ribchester and is no price what so ever. Just looking forward to a good race.

    #1317188
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    Seems Lady Frankel has been hammered in. Happy at 26.0 e/w

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    Avatar photoCharlesOlney
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    Took a little bit of the 4/5 on Ribchester to try and win back what I lost on Magical at the Curragh.

    He should really be winning this looking at the opposition.

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    ham
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    Really wish theyd put a pacemaker in for ribchester

    #1317199
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    The way Ribchester kicked on again in the final furlong when he looked to be reeled in by Tareef was seriously impressive. He must be an absolute dream to train/ride/own with an attitude like that.

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    Less happy now. LOL.

    #1317202
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    I can’t get Ribchester beat here, but then I can’t have him at his price. I’m a fan of Inns of Court (had him lto when he got chinned), but I’m not sure he’s up to beating Ribchester and is no price what so ever. Just looking forward to a good race.

    If you “can’t get Ribchester beat here”, Degaused; then what does that mean? Would you have estimated him as a 60%, 70% or 80% chance? Surely if you “can’t get Ribchester beat here” then it’s a bet with a capital B while around Evens? ie If believing Ribchester better than 50% he’s a logical bet @ Evens. :yes:

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    I can’t get Ribchester beat here, but then I can’t have him at his price. I’m a fan of Inns of Court (had him lto when he got chinned), but I’m not sure he’s up to beating Ribchester and is no price what so ever. Just looking forward to a good race.

    If you “can’t get Ribchester beat here”, Degaused; then what does that mean? Would you have estimated him as a 60%, 70% or 80% chance? Surely if you “can’t get Ribchester beat here” then it’s a bet with a capital B while around Evens? ie If believing Ribchester better than 50% he’s a logical bet @ Evens. :yes:

    Being honest, I don’t quantify a horse’s chances in terms of percentages. I don’t know how, although if you have any tips I’m all ears! I thought Ribchester was rock solid as the favourite and would likely win, but the race just didn’t interest me from a betting point of view, I didn’t believe there to be enough juice in his price and it was more one I’d rather enjoy as a neutral.

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    What I mean is:

    When it comes to the price of Evens offered, a punter does not need to have much idea of how to quantify a horse’s chances, Degaussed. If thinking it has a better chance of winning than losing then Evens is a good bet. If thinking it has a better chance of losing than winning then it’s a poor bet @ Evens. So if thinking “can’t get Ribchester beat here” you’re effectively saying in your opinion it has a much better chance of winning than losing… ie a bloody good bet @ Evens!!!

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    What I mean is:

    When it comes to the price of Evens offered, a punter does not need to have much idea of how to quantify a horse’s chances, Degaussed. If thinking it has a better chance of winning than losing then Evens is a good bet. If thinking it has a better chance of losing than winning then it’s a poor bet @ Evens. So if thinking “can’t get Ribchester beat here” you’re effectively saying in your opinion it has a much better chance of winning than losing… ie a bloody good bet @ Evens!!!

    I’m saying I couldn’t get Ribchester beat, but that’s not to say he was unbeatable. Evens represented where he should be in the market, for me, and had no juice in his price.

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    I’m saying I couldn’t get Ribchester beat, but that’s not to say he was unbeatable. Evens represented where he should be in the market, for me, and had no juice in his price.

    At Evens a punter does not need to think the horse is anywhere near “unbeatable”, it only needs to be thought of as having a better chance of winning than losing.
    “Couldn’t get Ribchester beat”, surely means at the very least a better chance of winning than losing? Therefore – even in your own opinion – represented a better price than he should be in the market.

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    I’m saying I couldn’t get Ribchester beat, but that’s not to say he was unbeatable. Evens represented where he should be in the market, for me, and had no juice in his price.

    At Evens a punter does not need to think the horse is anywhere near “unbeatable”, it only needs to be thought of as having a better chance of winning than losing.
    “Couldn’t get Ribchester beat”, surely means at the very least a better chance of winning than losing? Therefore – even in your own opinion – represented a better price than he should be in the market.

    I’ve probably not quite found the correct words to represent what I meant.

    Personally, for the way I enjoy betting, I very rarely have any interest in backing a favourite, particularly a short-priced one. My first port of call is, “Can I get the favourite beat?” If not, then I almost always move on.

    Looking at my past bets, since the start of June I’ve only backed two horses who were favourite at the time of my bet: one was Barsanti at York, the other was Caravaggio today. That’s just how I like to bet and how I enjoy betting. To me, Ribchester didn’t represent an enjoyable bet; I’d rather he win at Evens and I didn’t back than I did back him and he lost, so I didn’t bet.

    #1317246
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    Another quality Group 1 performance from Ribchester. Had he of beaten HCW at GG he would have been around the same odds as Cracksman was for the Niel today. A penalty kick that he has converted nicely.

    This morning Ribchester was trading around 11/10 – personally I dont understand that when his last race can have a line drawn through it (didnt run a great race himself and conditions were appalling). Prior to that he was in scintillating form.

    An easy win for the punters in my opinion.

    If his next stop is the QEII, I feel he will be tough to beat (depending what AOB sends over).

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    If his next stop is the QEII, I feel he will be tough to beat (depending what AOB sends over).

    Whatever AOB sends over, Clints. :good:

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    Clints
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    If his next stop is the QEII, I feel he will be tough to beat (depending what AOB sends over).

    Whatever AOB sends over, Clints. :good:

    Winter would be a great smash up…..roll on Ascot I say :good:

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