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What went wrong?
Magnier has had enough experience to know better.
It did not whip round or anything, can not understand this. Normally I am not in favour of a rule 4 when horses fail to start but in this case I would.
Throw the book at him.
When you look at it, seemed to take him out deliberately. I know the bloke does not need the money etc. But if they do not treat this as deliberate, then how can they do anything about it when it is deliberate?I did not have a bet in the race.
Mark
Value Is EverythingI think it best to wait until the result of the stewards’.
Colin
May be Colin, but what possible reason is there for doing what he did?
Mark
Value Is EverythingPity Lydia didnt have more time to throw a wobbley. Would have brightened RUK’s coverage up no end imo.
From what I saw there seemed to be some confusion in Mr. Magnier’s mind.
He looked to be taking another turn when the starter let them go.
Colin
And I think a question also has to asked of the starter.
It appeared to me that he was aware of Bellvano turning away when he pulled the tape.sorry to sound like a grump, but can you give a little bit of context to this post? not everyone gets to watch every race, every day, and – whilst obviously intrigued – I have no idea what this thread is referring to!
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YHF,
It happened in the last at Kempton.
Apparently:Magnier thought he was going to clip heels with the one in front so pulled him away, taking a turn, just as the tape went up. Shouted to the starter he was not ready but was not heard.
NO ACTION TAKEN
Any unscrupulous jockey / connections please take note. This is going to make things very simple for layers in the future. All you have to do is get your horse at the back, near the horse in front. Then just as you can see the starter go to start; pull the horse round to take another turn. Shouting in your softest voice "No Sir". AND NO ACTION WILL BE TAKEN.
Now, I don’t say Mr. Magnier did this deliberately. Just that if they do not come down on him, how can they do anything in the future if another jockey does the same? Where it might not be accidental. Will in all probability be impossible to prove. A precedent has been made.
Surely there should have been some action taken?
Mark
Value Is EverythingI didn’t see the race live, and the replay on RacingUK didn’t tell the whole story, since Bellvano was trotting across the course as the field set off. Looked very odd.
Personally I wouldn’t one of J P Magnier’s mounts with buttons since he will always be outridden by anybody half decent.
The notion that a betting coup could revolve around getting a paper fav to effectively take no part in a bumper is the stuff of Dick Francis novels. It surely couldn’t happen in the real world.
Okay, let’s say that an owner had made tens of thousands of pounds opposing his horse under such circumstances. How would he get away with it? There is no doubt that the BHA would be all over him like a ton of bricks.
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Bellvano looked to flick his head to the left and Magnier simply made the mistake of deciding to complete the circle (his left arm is clearly pulled into his body) rather than correct the horse’s carriage.
Stupid, yes. Crooked, no.
Personally I wouldn’t one of J P Magnier’s mounts with buttons since he will always be outridden by anybody half decent.
I’m not sure if that is entirely fair, Rob.
Magnier has a skill equal to some and better than many.
(As evidenced by his 13 wins from 26 career UK rides ).Beginning to sound like a broken record on this sort of topic.
If we had the rule that allows the stewards to deem a horse a non runner if it was ‘denied a fair start’ i.e blind left on, rider not on its back when stalls opened, starter didn;t see it was not with the rest of them etc. then this could be far more fairly dealt with and more importantly there would be no reward for any skullduggery.
Would still be the odd grey area (poss today) but currently like with the Cwyfrws stalls incident the only option they had in that case was to void the whole race or let in stand when it was obvious the stall had bounced back and impeded his exit after he tried to force it open slightly early.
Personally I wouldn’t one of J P Magnier’s mounts with buttons since he will always be outridden by anybody half decent.
I’m not sure if that is entirely fair, Rob.
Magnier has a skill equal to some and better than many.
(As evidenced by his 9 wins from 17 career rides — a 53% success ratio).They are often steering jobs, mind.
Split second error of judgement from a jockey who doesn’t lack experience but also doesn’t have many rides. Grow-up Glenn.
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