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Irrespective of how I feel about Spencers riding, this shows a distinct lack of class.
I particularly like this quote
"It’s on record that he was given two very bad rides"
Theres a record? I backed Mt Athos in the 12 furlong race and I dont think he would have won with a different ride. I also opposed him at Goodwood because he had run badly on that track before. Perhaps others think he should have been winning in these races but I still think criticism such as Cumanis should be done in private
SHL
I don’t think Spencer will be bothered – he will continue to do exactly as he likes.
I am all for more open criticism. Why should everything be left to the punters? Perhaps one or two of the jocks might take a little bit more notice of trainers/owners.
I don’t think Spencer will be bothered – he will continue to do exactly as he likes.
Couldn’t agree more. Spencer, like Lester of old, is a law unto himself. Although Lester Piggott was ten times the jockey Spencer will ever be, both have one thing in common : they couldn’t give a toss about the punters or criticism of any kind.
It’s safe to say that Jamie Spencer has never been one of my favourite jockeys – not because he isn’t any good; no, it’s more to do with his couldn’t give a monkeys attitude.
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Irrespective of how I feel about Spencers riding, this shows a distinct lack of class.
I particularly like this quote
"It’s on record that he was given two very bad rides"
Theres a record? I backed Mt Athos in the 12 furlong race and I dont think he would have won with a different ride. I also opposed him at Goodwood because he had run badly on that track before. Perhaps others think he should have been winning in these races but I still think criticism such as Cumanis should be done in private
"On record" could refer to the opinion of some form books SHL. I agree with Cumani, Mount Athos was given bad rides in those two races. Why – when he’s made practically all in the Ormande (1m6f good-soft) – would you ride a stayer for a turn of foot (held up) in the Hardwicke (1m4f Good)? Then, dropped out in the Goodwood Cup and raced wide in the straight – where, because of the false rail being taken away and fresher ground, probably favoured the inner. Don’t think Cumani is saying Mount Athos should’ve won those two races SHL, just should’ve finished a lot closer.
However, Luca and Dr. Marwan need to take some responsibility for not winning since Chester. I’d have made Mount Athos favourite for the Group 1 Ascot Gold Cup had he gone for that 2m4f race instead of the 1m4f Group 2. Then, after the Group 2 Goodwood Cup and before the Melbourne Cup weights came out… Chose to go for a listed 1m6f race (ridden more prominently by Hughes) where he had to give 5 lbs to Harris Tweed – instead of another Group 2 without giving weight. Seemed to me connections (presumably the good Doctor) wanted to preserve Mount Athos’s Aussie weight. Their handicapper seems to work more on which race is won rather than horse against horse form.
May be Spencer thought riding Mount Athos in such a way also helped preserve his handicap weight? Make no mistake, Mount Athos is better than those two races suggest and (partly) why I’ve backed him @ 16/1 for the race that stops a nation.
Value Is EverythingIrrespective of how I feel about Spencers riding, this shows a distinct lack of class.
I particularly like this quote
"It’s on record that he was given two very bad rides"
Theres a record? I backed Mt Athos in the 12 furlong race and I dont think he would have won with a different ride. I also opposed him at Goodwood because he had run badly on that track before. Perhaps others think he should have been winning in these races but I still think criticism such as Cumanis should be done in private
"On record" could refer to the opinion of some form books SHL. I agree with Cumani, Mount Athos was given bad rides in those two races. Why – when he’s made practically all in the Ormande (1m6f good-soft) – would you ride a stayer for a turn of foot (held up) in the Hardwicke (1m4f Good)? Then, dropped out in the Goodwood Cup and raced wide in the straight – where, because of the false rail being taken away and fresher ground, probably favoured the inner.
Take your point but don’t believe it, in particular because Altano, whom Mount Athos is tracking finishes further ahead of him and comes up the same strip.
Either way, its not the issue with the ride that’s the problem. Its more to do with public criticism of a jockey.
SHL
I don’t think Spencer will be bothered – he will continue to do exactly as he likes.
Couldn’t agree more. Spencer, like Lester of old, is a law unto himself. Although Lester Piggott was ten times the jockey Spencer will ever be, both have one thing in common : they couldn’t give a toss about the punters or criticism of any kind.
It’s safe to say that Jamie Spencer has never been one of my favourite jockeys – not because he isn’t any good; no, it’s more to do with his couldn’t give a monkeys attitude.
Spot on.
Personally I think more trainers and owners should critcise jockeys when they have given their horses poor rides.
It may then stop jockeys giving horses poor rides on a regular basis then we may get better rides as some jockeys may lose rides because of it.I’m not sure about the owners / trainers criticising the jockeys – it concerns me more that Nick Luck, McGrath and Fitzy are competing with each other to show they’re NOT criticising the jockeys.
They’re on tv to be critical.
Spencer – his rides on Educate, York Glory, Mount Athos and many others show how poor he can be when holding a horse up. He thinks he’s on Frankel each time and wants to win by a neck.
And yet when he rides from the front, he’s good.His ride on Educate at Ascot was horrificly bad, bordering on intentionally preventing the horse having any chance of winning / placing. I didn’t back him on York Glory at Beverly but watched him finish as expected…just too late.
Most people in a job have a duty to an employer and an employer has every right to criticise under performing employees.
Spencer should start giving a monkey’s. I have no time for the prat .
You will generally find that most employers (good ones anyhow) dont criticize in public.
Also I think if we encourage trainers to criticism more, we would quickly come to realize that there are some trainers who seem to be the victims of bad rides more often than others.
In fact, I know some connections who feel there beloved animal has never received a proper ride.I do feel though that TV commentators do need to question rides more though.
SHL
I imagine TV commentators are constrained from offering opinions because they do not want to fall foul of the ‘inner circle’ of trainers, jockeys and owners who do not operate for our benefit.
I imagine TV commentators are constrained from offering opinions because they do not want to fall foul of the ‘inner circle’ of trainers, jockeys and owners who do not operate for our benefit.
I hate to say it but with a few notable exceptions the same can be said of the majority of the racing media.
Did anyone watch Atzeni on Red Galileo ?
He has the rail, he’s raced on the rail for the majority of the race. When it comes to the crunch, he moves off the rail and allows the Godolphin horse to come through and win by a nostril.
According to Cumani, in one of those races Spencer dragged Mount Athos back to last contrary to instructions
I’m not interested enough to investigate by examining the race, but sounds plausible and an egregious enough error to incite Cumani to lash out
In fact, I know some connections who feel there beloved animal has never received a proper ride.
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