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She’s getting a few bob to have an opinion. Nothing wrong with that, regardless of whether she picks winners or not. Plus there’s very little information to go on french racing.
Liz is advertised as an "expert" on the site. She had two races to preview today yet only managed to select one horse, an odds on favourite who, just for a change, managed to get beaten. The other race was one we were told she was sitting out because it was too complicated to pick a likely winner.
There always seems to be someone who likes to defend the poor, down-trodden people in racing who have criticism aimed at them but my belief is that nothing ever gets any better if we just grit our teeth and put up with the status quo.
I will continue to criticise that which I feel does not meet expectation, in the hope that one day we may actually get a service that is
better
. Perhaps as a collective readership we don’t actually deserve a better service than the one that suggests that the fav might be worth a bet and the second fav could be the danger.
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Can’t blame her if ATR are going to pay her. Winner looked to thrive on the ground, if turns up a bog then would be a poke for the Arc; 25/1 first show with us.
No danger. The Grand Prix De Paris was a modest affair last year and this season’s renewal looked weaker. I don’t know why the Grey Gatsby ran, the world and his wife knew he wouldn’t like the ground and yet the trainer runs him and then declares he hated the ground. This Prince Gibraltar is not a great horse and I have chucked away my ante post ticket for him for The Arc already.
You’ll need a bigger worm than 25/1 to fish for some ante-post business
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This is your second post on the same subject within a month.
Have you expressed your obvious concerns to ATR?
If you know she is going to tip the first or second favourite why even read the column?
There are probably loads of people in the media seemingly being paid for not very much but I can’t think of a one-man crusade getting rid of any of them.
As for picking favourites hasn’t your own offering been propped up by Integral and Slade Power in the last few days? At least ‘good old Liz’ didn’t feel the need to take out the insurance of selecting three horses in one race.
I agree with Stilvi’ s comments. We all have presenter likes and dislikes and I find Liz Price a perfectly acceptable contributor but I don’t see het role as being a tipster. Actually I never take much notice of any TV pundits tips. Wasn’t part of the charm of the C4 team the fact that they didn’t take themselves too seriously when it came to selections? Liz Price is fine. Listen to what she says but make up your own mind when it comes to a selection. I thought that’s what most Forum Followers do anyway!
This is your second post on the same subject within a month.
Have you expressed your obvious concerns to ATR?
If you know she is going to tip the first or second favourite why even read the column?
There are probably loads of people in the media seemingly being paid for not very much but I can’t think of a one-man crusade getting rid of any of them.
As for picking favourites hasn’t your own offering been propped up by Integral and Slade Power in the last few days? At least ‘good old Liz’ didn’t feel the need to take out the insurance of selecting three horses in one race.
A bit hypocritical of you, of all people, to mention someone else raising the matter of the same subject. You have been banging on about Paul Hanagan and having a good moan about jockeys in general, for what seems like an eternity, so please have a good look in the mirror before shouting the odds.
I have told you several times now to ignore my posts if you don’t like them. It is quite clear you have had an agenda against me since you tried to tell me Galileo Rock needed fast ground in last year’s Derby and I countered that, although he might not be at his best on softer, it would make it more of a test and blunt others. I was on at 66/1 and he placed. Since then you only arrive in my posts to offer criticism or negativity. You were the only regular contributor on the Oaks thread who never offered any congratulations when Taghrooda won for me in a bet I placed last December at 33/1. That speaks volumes about your mentality on a forum.
I don’t claim to be a professional but I try to use experience to predict future races. My thread is generally about opposing poor value favourites but sometimes there is value in favourites as well. I was on Slade Power as a maximum bet at 3/1 but when the ground looked like being heavy it seemed sensible to look for cover on a couple of mudlarks. As it panned out Slade Power won with a bit in hand but Gregorian, who I covered at 20/1 ran a belting race and more than justified his inclusion as a danger on the ground. I thought Integral was a penalty kick other than the soft ground and was value for me over a Sky Lantern with some questions to answer. She hosed in and why should I have avoided a good value favourite when I want to oppose bad value favourites.
You can start your own thread giving tips if you want. It’s not an easy game. Ged Egan who recently started on ATR generally tips shorter horses than me and he was operating at about 31% winners up to last week and that is being hailed as brilliant by ATR.
I read Liz in the hope that one day she might tip a winner that was not jumping out of the paper slapping the reader in the face. I have no issue with the woman herself but by labelling her as a French Racing Expert I think ATR are giving the casual reader a bum steer.
As I have said, you have nothing positive to say to me, so why bother reading what I post? Get more variety into you own offerings before you have a go at others being repetitive. You come across strongly as someone whose nose is firmly out of joint if other contributors tip a good winner now and again.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Can’t help thinking Kingston Hill’s connections missed a trick here. Surely this would have been a far better race for him rather than The Eclipse?
We all have presenter likes and dislikes and I find Liz Price a perfectly acceptable contributor but I don’t see het role as being a tipster. Actually I never take much notice of any TV pundits tips. Wasn’t part of the charm of the C4 team the fact that they didn’t take themselves too seriously when it came to selections? Liz Price is fine. Listen to what she says but make up your own mind when it comes to a selection. I thought that’s what most Forum Followers do anyway!
A good, honest post. Disagreeing with the original post but keeping it objective and not trawling up other threads and making it personal by stirring the old crap pot.
Well done Roberto.
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Can’t help thinking Kingston Hill’s connections missed a trick here. Surely this would have been a far better race for him rather than The Eclipse?
I think you are spot on there yeats. The Eclipse was always likely to be a bit short for Kingston Hill. The ground turned out perfect for the horse at Longchamp on the day and surely the French race was at his mercy. That would have left perhaps one more try at a mile and a half in stronger company where if he wasn’t quite good enough, the option was there to step up in trip and try to win the final classic of the year.
The St Leger is dying on its ar5e though, with trainers now declaring their horses are too good for the race. It is becoming a race that is of dubious group 1 status. Looking at the betting we have Australia, Eagle Top, Western Hymn and Taghrooda prominent in the betting but it would seem unlikely any of them will run. If all of those miss the race and Kingston Hill shows up he must be near favourite for my money but he sits at 10/1, the same odds as good Godolphin winner Elite Army, who has been tipped in several places for the race but who, although improving fast, won a handicap at Royal Ascot.
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I cant wait to see Stivi’s disjointed face, I mean nose when you win this years poster of the year Steve, he’ll be foaming for sure unless the nose gets in the way………
Gaelic Warrior Gold Cup Winner 2026
ATR French Expert has unleashed her traditional five to follow in France this season.
As ever, it is pretty much horses who all ran in the past few week.
This year’s five are:-
Olmedo
Dice Roll
Wooton
Musis Amica
ShahnazaDear oh dear. A quick glance reveals that she has the 1st three in the betting for the French 2000 Guineas.
Wootton 9/4
Olmedo 11/4
Dice Roll 4/1Hey Liz, they can’t all win. Are you seriously suggesting backing all three at those odds?
God. Painting by numbers or what? Not a scooby.
“Money for nothing and chicks for free……”
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I was hoping for a bit bigger on Olmedo. Only PP seemed to have priced this race up, so I guess I’ll wait and see what other firms offer.
Not tempted to cover Liz’s three picks then Degaussed?
Someone asked me on another thread if they should take 9/2 on Olmedo and I advised them to.
I did Wootton at 13/2 when I was told he would likely swerve Newmarket and the trainer confirmed after the trial race that he would stay in France.
The thing with Liz’s five to follow is that we know she is going to have two losers at least on Sunday. Moving forward it could be that she is going against herself regularly and, as any ten to follow fan would know, you need to try to find horses who won’t be clashing continually.
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Think it might have been me asking about the 9/2, obviously wish I had listened now!
I bet Liz is in clover with all her profits, having backed the top three in the market and come out with a small 0.75pts profit!
I think you are being very unfair.
Liz’s ‘five to follow’ was five to follow ‘for the classics’. She offers a rounded perspective in form of short essays for some of the leading contenders she believed were ‘most likely’ (and had first and third in the 2,000). I’m not sure what you expected. Regarding selecting more than one likely to run in the same race, you’ve suggested you’ve backed more than one yourself SC. She had to put up five horses for, effectively, four races so inevitable she’d have more than one going in the same race
Also remember Liz doesn’t have the luxury of the article going online when the prices might be at their most favourable, it’ll be published when the publisher decides to put it up. Plus she doesn’t actually suggest backing anything and doesn’t quote any odds, it was a discussion piece and you’ve taken it completely out of context, in a pretty condescending manner I would add.
She did a separate selection piece today for the two races with her final selections (Wootton, Musis Amica and Polydream e/w).
I stand by my comments. Liz Price often suggests suicidal bets eg 6/4 shots e/w.
She also picks them about a week from the Classics.
I pick mine much earlier and although I had several in the Classics, most of them were 33/1 and 25/1 shots.
I have Saxon Warrior at 33/1 and now 66/1 for the Derby. Bets placed last year. I have him at 50/1 for the Arc De Triomphe. Of course I am going to have a very low strike rate at the odds I am taking. Nobody in the world can regularly pick big priced winners.
Whatever Corm, it’s your forum.
Just say the word here and I’ll stop posting immediately.
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Just for the record regarding the French Classics. I only backed Wootton at 13/2 and in the 1000 Guineas my sole bet was Wind Chimes at 14/1.
Wind Chimes would have won with a better ride.
I had multiple bets at 33/1 in the 2000 Guineas and backed Saxon Warrior twice, once at 20/1 and again at 16/1. I had several in the 1000 Guineas, with my initial picks either injured or busts. I held a coupon on Veracious at 25/1 and she was 6/1 when pulled out injured. My late substitute Laurens was runner up.
Any comparison with my bets and Liz Price’s is both wildly incorrect and, dare I say it? “Very unfair”
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SC, of course no need to stop posting. I was replying to your opening post in guise of forum member/debater not moderator with my opinion.
I’d say Liz’s five for the French classics are doing pretty nicely so far. Three of the first four berths in the 2,000, highly promising run in the 1,000 and plenty ammo going into the next two races.
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