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    Entries were made a few days ago and there are a few I have my eye on but of course if I mentioned them, their prices would collapse such is my influence….ah no, I’m not TAPK. But seriously, it makes for a nice change from the jumpers just before it all kicks off in a months time, the calm before the storm of Cheltenham. I wouldn’t be putting any money down but a little trawl through the entrants is a welcome relief from the miserable jumps season we’ve had.

     

    THE WILLIAM HILL LINCOLN

    Class 2, Heritage Handicap, £100,000 Total Prize Fund. 3.05pm, Doncaster, Saturday, April 2, 2011. For four year olds and upwards, one mile (straight course). Entries closed February 8, entries revealed February 9 (118 entries), weights revealed February 16. Scratchings deleadline March 8, five-day confirmation stage March 28. Final declaration stage, Thursday, March 31. Safety limit of 22 runners, horses which are declared at the final declaration but eliminated are eligible to run in the William Hill Spring Mile, which is also run at Doncaster on Saturday, April 2. Form figures supplied by Weatherbys and are correct up to and including Monday, February 7.

    260242- ABERGAVENNY 4 Dan Gilbert & Kristian Strangeway Brian Ellison

    25(5)040- ACADEMY BLUES (USA) 6 Bulldog Racing David Nicholls

    4/16(0)50- AJDAAD (USA) 4 Mrs Z Wentworth Alan McCabe

    000060- AL MUHEER (IRE) 6 Sprint King Racing (Antigua Cavaliers) David Nicholls

    312363- ARABIAN SPIRIT 6 Timeform Betfair Racing Club Ltd Richard Fahey

    0(6)(5)(2)-(0)(1) AVON RIVER 4 Jim Horgan Richard Hannon

    (4)(1)-(3)(3)(2)(3) AVONROSE 4 Moorland Racing Derek Shaw

    005100- AXIOM 7 Samanda Racing Ed Walker

    (3)(3)(4)(0)-(0)(2) BAWAARDI (IRE) 5 The Matthewman One Partnership Richard Fahey

    (3)(2)(3)(0)(0)-(4) BEAUCHAMP VICEROY 7 Erik Penser Gerard Butler

    13-(0)(0)(6)(0) BENCOOLEN (IRE) 6 Eamon Maher David Nicholls

    0124-00 BIG CREEK (IRE) 4 Stan Moore Stan Moore

    3(2)(1)(1)-(0)(1) BLUE MOON 4 Guy Reed Kevin Ryan

    260030- BRAE HILL (IRE) 5 Dr Marwan Koukash Richard Fahey

    (0)0(6)(4)-(1)(1) BRAVO ECHO 5 Canisbay Bloodstock Michael Attwater

    122050- BREAKHEART (IRE) 4 Andrew Tinkler Michael Dods

    0(1)3101- BRICK RED 4 Brick Racing Andrew Balding

    (1)(4)-(2)(2)(1)(4) BUAITEOIR (FR) 5 Laurence Mann Paul D’Arcy

    2/143- CALL TO REASON (IRE) 4 The Socrates Partnership Jeremy Noseda

    100530- CAMEROONEY 8 Jean Stapleton Brian Ellison

    310006- CASTLES IN THE AIR 6 Jim McGrath Richard Fahey

    2(2)1/06(0)- CHAMPAGNE STYLE (USA) 4 EERC Richard Guest

    004325- CHARLIE COOL 8 Middleham Park Racing XXIV Ruth Carr

    310036- COCKNEY CLASS (USA) 4 Roldvale Limited Brian Meehan

    (3)/120(6)1- DANCE AND DANCE (IRE) 5 Mohammed Rashid Edward Vaughan

    2(1)10- DHAAMER (IRE) 4 Hamdan Al Maktoum John Gosden

    202304- DIRECTORSHIP 5 Mrs R Lyon, Mrs P Hayton, Patrick Chamings Patrick Chamings

    515(5)(0)(2)- DOCOFTHEBAY (IRE) 7 Paul Dixon David Nicholls

    150(6)/41/- DOCTOR CRANE (USA) 5 Rachel Hood John Gosden

    (1)/(1)0300- DOCTOR ZHIVAGO 4 C Titcomb David Nicholls

    030(5)(5)(0)- DREAM LODGE (IRE) 7 Middleham Park Racing XLIX David Nicholls

    2(3)(1)-(1)(1)(1) DUBAI HILLS 5 Fiona Denniff Bryan Smart

    033(0)2(2)- DUSTER 4 M T Bevan Hughie Morrison

    6(1)25- ETON FOREVER (IRE) 4 H R H Sultan Ahmad Shah Michael Jarvis

    006222- ETON RIFLES (IRE) 6 Transcend Bloodstock LLP Howard Johnson

    006/(0)0-(0) EUROPEAN DREAM (IRE) 8 You Trotters Richard Fahey

    000000- EXTRATERRESTRIAL 7 G J Paver Richard Fahey

    1/0106-0 FAREER 5 Hamdan Al Maktoum Ed Dunlop

    012221- FATHSTA (IRE) 6 Dr Marwan Koukash David Simcock

    (1)(3)(1)(1)(1)-(3) FINAL DRIVE (IRE) 5 Par 4 Racing John Ryan

    U12133- FIRST POST (IRE) 4 Llewelyn, Runeckles Derek Haydn Jones

    (2)(5)(3)-(1)(2)(0) FOLLOW THE FLAG (IRE) 7 S Gillen Alan McCabe

    1041/50- FREMONT (IRE) 4 Julie Wood Richard Hannon

    012156- FRONTLINE GIRL (IRE) 5 M A Roden Elaine Burke

    0(6)(0)(0)-(0)(0) GALA CASINO STAR (IRE) 6 The Friar Tuck Racing Club Richard Fahey

    45540-(6) GEORGEBERNARDSHAW (IRE) 6 Dr Marwan Koukash David Simcock

    465(0)-(2)(0) GOOD AGAIN 5 Future In Mind Partnership Gerard Butler

    30006-(0) GREYFRIARSCHORISTA 4 Greyfriars UK Ltd Mark Johnston

    264521- GUNNER LINDLEY (IRE) 4 P McNamara, Nick Browne, S Richards Barry Hills

    104040- HACIENDA (IRE) 4 Sheikh Hamdan Bin Mohammed Al Maktoum Mark Johnston

    136010- HARRISON GEORGE (IRE) 6 P D Smith Holdings Ltd Richard Fahey

    (1)56365- HIGHLAND KNIGHT (IRE) 4 Jeff Smith Andrew Balding

    606153- IRISH HEARTBEAT (IRE) 6 Mark & George Leatham Richard Fahey

    32404(4)- IVER BRIDGE LAD 4 The Iver Lads John Ryan

    061020- JO’BURG (USA) 7 Richard Walker Debbie Sanderson

    021410- JUSTONEFORTHEROAD 5 The Pontoon Partnership Richard Fahey

    4113(1)- KALK BAY (IRE) 4 Bernard Kantor William Haggas

    6000(0)0- KARAKA JACK 4 David Nicholls David Nicholls

    310400- KAY GEE BE (IRE) 7 George & Mark Leatham Richard Fahey

    (6)(1)(0)-(1)(3)(3) KILBURN 7 Royal Windsor Racing Club Alastair Lidderdale

    2142(6)0- KING OF WINDSOR (IRE) 4 Jones, Healy, Whitehead & Mitchell Ralph Beckett

    500100- KIWI BAY 6 Kiwi Racing Michael Dods

    142200- KYLLACHY STAR 5 Dr Marwan Koukash Richard Fahey

    (0)60(3)(0)-(3) LAYLINE (IRE) 4 Gay Kelleway Gay Kelleway

    036530- LIGHT FROM MARS 6 Dr Marwan Koukash David Nicholls

    331(5)54- LINNENS STAR (IRE) 4 D & J Newell Ralph Beckett

    (3)(2)(3)-(5)(2)(1) LOCKANTANKS 4 Dallas Racing Michael Appleby

    (4)(1)(4)(2)-(3)(2) LOWTHER 6 Exors of the late L J Barratt Alan Bailey

    0(4)(1)(2)(3)-(2) LOYALTY 4 Lyndsey Shaw Derek Shaw

    41(0)(6)(3)-0 MAJOR VICTORY (SAF) 4 H M K Al Mehairi Gay Kelleway

    423060- MANASSAS (IRE) 6 Rebecca Philipps Brian Meehan

    400000- MARAJAA (IRE) 9 John Jacques Willie Musson

    24(4)520- MASS RALLY (IRE) 4 Business Development Consultants Limited Michael Dods

    024215- MATA KERANJANG (USA) 4 Fitri Hay Paul Cole

    21/2001- MEDICINAL COMPOUND 4 Hambleton Racing Ltd XIII Kevin Ryan

    10(2)(2)-(3)(4) MIAMI GATOR (IRE) 4 Elaine Burke Elaine Burke

    22202(0)- MUTAMALEQ (IRE) 4 Wold Construction Company Ian McInnes

    221100- NATIONALISM 4 George Strawbridge John Gosden

    410(0)-(0)2 NAVAJO CHIEF 4 Geoffrey Bishop Alan Jarvis

    60(1)3(1)(1)- NAZREEF 4 Deborah Collett & M Watson Hughie Morrison

    563(1)(1)(2)- NIDEEB 4 Saeed Manana Clive Brittain

    01060(1)- NOGUCHI (IRE) 6 The Honorable Earle I Mack Jeremy Noseda

    (3)(2)(2)(1)(1)(1)- NORMAN ORPEN (IRE) 4 Gordon Li Jane Chapple-Hyam

    (5)/10310- ORIENTAL SCOT 4 Dr Jim Walker William Jarvis

    240144- OUR JOE MAC (IRE) 4 A Long Richard Fahey

    554(4)-(1)(2) OURS (IRE) 8 Peter Smith P C Coaches Limited John Harris

    (2)/10125- PENITENT 5 Cheveley Park Stud William Haggas

    313312- PINTURA 4 Dr Marwan Koukash David Simcock

    12/6000- PLEASANT DAY (IRE) 4 J C Parsons & J J Gilmartin Richard Fahey

    00(1)006- PRIME EXHIBIT 6 Dab Hand Racing Richard Fahey

    006050- PRINCE OF DANCE 5 David Storey Tom Tate

    20122-(4) RAKAAN (IRE) 4 David Dixon Jamie Osborne

    3400-(1)(0) REVE DE NUIT (USA) 5 Z Wentworth Alan McCabe

    0525(4)0- SATWA LAIRD 5 The Lamprell Partnership Ed Dunlop

    0311/64- SHAMALI 6 Abdulla Al Khalifa William Haggas

    (1)00215- SIGNOR VERDI 4 Sheila Tucker Brian Meehan

    424125- SIR GEORGE (IRE) 6 Venture Racing & Partners Ollie Pears

    115260- SMARTY SOCKS (IRE) 7 R Fell & K Everitt David O’Meara

    663621- SOUTH CAPE 8 Heart of the South Racing Gary Moore

    2130/(1)0- SPLENDORINTHEGRASS (IRE) 5 Bjorn Nielsen David Lanigan

    03(0)(1)-(1)(1) STEED 4 Mrs J Ryan Kevin Ryan

    4/(2)1211- SUITED AND BOOTED (IRE) 4 R Morecombe & D Anderson Richard Hannon

    2661(0)(5)- SWEET CHILD O’MINE 4 EERC Richard Guest

    50120-(0) SWEET LIGHTNING 6 Andrew Tinkler Michael Dods

    0/116- TAQLEED (IRE) 4 Hamdan Al Maktoum John Gosden

    000000- TARTAN GIGHA (IRE) 6 Exors of the Late Mrs Isobel Bird Mark Johnston

    (2)1(2)0(5)6- TARTAN TRIP 4 Kingsclere Racing Club Andrew Balding

    54602(5)- THE CHEKA (IRE) 5 Anthony Pye-Jeary & Mel Smith Eve Johnson Houghton

    (2)(0)/021(6)- THE FIFTH MEMBER (IRE) 7 Epsom Equine Spa Partnership Jim Boyle

    (5)(3)(2)-(2)(1)(1) THE LOCK MASTER (IRE) 4 K G Kitchen Michael Appleby

    0/00200- THE OSTEOPATH (IRE) 8 Kevin Kirkup Michael Dods

    0/1100- UPHOLD 4 Jamie Osborne Jamie Osborne

    355200- VAINGLORY (USA) 7 David Simcock David Simcock

    (5)5003(6)- VIVA VETTORI 7 Mike Watson David Elsworth

    003000- WANNABE KING 5 Saif Ali & Saeed Altayer David Lanigan

    0022(1)(0)- WEST END LAD 8 K Nicholls Roy Bowring

    2/(1)2(6)- XILERATOR (IRE) 4 J Law David Nicholls

    46(1)(5)-(1)(5) ZEBRANO 5 Caloona Racing Andrew Haynes

    118 entries

    #340565
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    There are plenty of fanciful entries, but betting is rendered inherently expensive because you have to cover both fast and soft-ground specialists.

    With regard to the latter, Medicinal Compound is an interesting prospect.

    #340572
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    True enough.

    Cut off
    [table]Year| LowestR| Ground
    2010| 92| Soft
    2009| 94| GF
    2008| 94| GS
    2007| 88| GS (Newcastle)
    2006| 88| Soft (Redcar)
    2005| 90| Good
    2004| 90| Good
    2003| 89| Good
    2002| 83| GS
    2001| 85| Soft[/table]

    #340618
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    Entries were made a few days ago and there are a few I have my eye on but of course if I mentioned them, their prices would collapse such is my influence….ah no, I’m not TAPK.

    Nulty of the 118 current entries,over half of them wont be rated high enough to get a run,one of them is John Gosdens

    Dhaamer

    ,a mark of 87 leaves him no chance unfortunately as his profile suits.Another who would be suited to the race is Barry Hills

    Gunner Lindley

    but again off 93 he will struggle.The horse i have backed at 20/1 is

    Taqleed

    ,i was at Nottingham the day he beat a 1/4 shot of Godolphins and backed him for the Cambridgeshire thereafter,this horse has bags of scope handles any ground and off a mark of 95 should get in nicely,i would like to think Mr Gosden is thinking of targeting him for this! :wink: I notice he also has the fine looking Nationalism entered,he is not unlike his Expresso star who won the race a couple of years ago but i just feel he wants it knee deep and Doncaster is very rarely that soft. Watch the market closely in the next fortnight! 8)

    #340619
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    Thanks TAPK but I’m aware these days of what kind of ratings are needed to get into these handicaps on the flat. Done my research since Royal Ascot last year when I was very green as regards the entries etc. :). As you can see in my previous post I have provided the rating of the lowest rated horse for each of the last 10 years along with the going description. The rating, I’m guessing will need to be at least 94 this year – 118 entries and the minimum rating has gone up as the prize money for the race increased over the past 10 years.

    2000 £43,761.25 4 places paid
    2010 £77,887.50 7 places paid

    I’m not sure I’ll bother with an AP bet, I reckon the draw is too important. If I figure one of them has an outstanding chance I’ll consider it.

    #340628
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    Wouldn’t look beyond Taqleed myself, though I’ve yet to see any 20/1.

    #340635
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    Wouldn’t look beyond Taqleed myself, though I’ve yet to see any 20/1.

    There"s still plenty of 16/1 available reet,i have just taken it with Bet 365.Those with accounts with Blue Sq will have to take a rather short 10/1 though! I got 20/1 with my favourite bookmakers Coral a month ago,they will price you any race you like Ante-Post and are the only ones to do so. Get on! 8)

    #340640
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    http://www.oddschecker.com/horse-racing … n-handicap

    Click the price history of Taqleed by clicking his name, since the 9th of February there has been no recognition of any 20/1 available on this horse.

    He’s a serious animal and should take the Lincoln in truth, was well backed by a mate of mine for Cambridgehsire who had ridiculous amounts on at 20/1.

    You’re not wrong if you’re in the Taqleed camp like myself but I’ll be waiting for anything that confirms his running in the event as he could target something much higher than the Lincoln.

    #340652
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    Backed my first one

    Bravo Echo

    1pt ew @ 33/1. Big risk as his running plans haven’t been made available but hes a different horse now after gelding op. Beat Lowther easily at Kempton last time and Lowther confirmed form this afternoon.

    I have 2 others I’m interested but will wait until more info is made available

    #340697
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    i really fance Eton Forever for this one, still available at 16s. This is a group horse whose 3yo campaign was cut short by a slightly bizarre problem on his last run which should be discounted, he’s also been gelded too.

    His maiden win over the subsequently impressive listed winner of Cumani’s, Afsare, now looks rather decent.

    #340769
    darren83
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    NATIONALISM 20/1 Ladbrokes

    Is my tip here was very poor in Cambridgeshire before the draw. was backed very heavy in the race.When he got low draw he had no chance.Next time out ran another shocker but got beaten by a group one winner in Kingsfort.Am sure Gosden can work his magic on this horse and while he has other horses enterd i hope this is number one horse for race.

    #340771
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    I’d be very keen on

    as long as there was anything with soft in the going description, being by Celtic Swing the softer the better.

    Came to hand early last year when winning the Spring Mile in decent style and only 7lbs higher on a rating of 96 meaning he should get in.

    Was unlucky on at least a couple of other occasions which is always a danger given his style of running.

    May prefer shorter but he travels like a dream and if he can be held on to long enough I think he could go close.

    14 to 16/1 wouldn’t really tempt me at this stage though.

    #340897
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    #340901
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    Kalk Bay looks to have the ideal profile (very similar prep to penitent) and is trained by the right man. He’ll probably struggle to get a run though off 92 though. Hopefully he’ll have a run in the trial at wolverhampton. I’d assume they mean business if he turns up in that.

    Our Joe Mac would be interesting on soft ground. Fahey has always spoken highly of him and could be an improver as a 4yo. I see there has been a bit of money for him today as well.

    #340910
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    Wouldn’t look beyond Taqleed myself, though I’ve yet to see any 20/1.

    There"s still plenty of 16/1 available reet,i have just taken it with Bet 365.Those with accounts with Blue Sq will have to take a rather short 10/1 though! I got 20/1 with my favourite bookmakers Coral a month ago,they will price you any race you like Ante-Post and are the only ones to do so. Get on! 8)

    I am noticing there is no 16/1 avaialable at all now on Taqleed for the Lincolns,thankfully i took it earlyer this week too,i have noticed you doing this before TAPK on the horse i like,this race is not till April.I am thinking the draw wont bother this horse as he will make all anyways.

    #341015
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    Agree with the sentiments regarding Taqleed.

    Others on the shortlist at this stage…

    Nationalism 16/1 – Bred for soft, great profile for this, forget the Cambridgeshire run from an impossible draw.
    Shamali 16/1 – Lightly raced Haggas improver who knows how to win this.
    Splendorinthegrass 33/1 – Another lightly raced improving type, looked very game and useful at Kempton last April but didnt race after May.
    Suited And Booted 20/1 – Should go on any ground, another lightly raced improver from team Hannon.
    Al Muheer 40/1 –

    Very

    interesting relative newcomer to deadly Dandy’s yard. Ran well in the Victoria Cup and he’s slipping down the weights ever since…
    Our Joe Mac 16/1 – The handicapper might have him but still lightly raced and open to improvement. A decent soft ground hedge.
    Pleasant Day 25/1 – Cant make up my mind about him but his late progress in last seasons Britannia has stayed on my mind all the same.
    Breakheart 25/1- Will make a very decent handicapper this season if his run in the Dubai Duty Free at Newbury last Autumn is anything to go by.

    #342011
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    I warned you to be a little careful with your Taqleed bets.

    JOHN GOSDEN has warned punters that his William Hill Lincoln joint-favourite Taqleed is not certain to make it into the final line-up for the April 2 handicap at Doncaster.

    Six of the front eight in the betting need others to come out if he is to make the final line-up with the Gosden-trained pair Nationalism and Doctor Crane the only two at the head of the betting guaranteed to make the final field of 22.

    Gosden, who won the race in 2009 with Expresso Star said: "I see Taqleed is quite well fancied but he is not sure to get in. With these big, valuable handicaps you need to be rated 95 to get in

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