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I’ll chuck my penneth in whilst we’re moaning about Bookmakers ‘Offers’ but Ladbrokes apparently went 6/1 about Oscar Whiskey for the World hurdle,I say apparently because if you blinked between 8.15am and 9am this morning you missed it.I was in the process of making a bowl of Porridge topped with some Spanish Blueberries and in between stirring I was clicking on the 6/1 on Ladbrokes Website,first to £200 e/w,refused! £150 e/w,refused,£100 e/w refused! £200 win,refused! £100 win,refused! £50 win,refused!,£20 win…………..and surprise suprise We’re on! I have to say when you get a clown like David Williams taking centre stage as Ladbrokes PR man we deserve all we get,he’s the sort of guy who deserves a Red Nose!!
So the lesson is just to use sugar or salt on your gruel like normal folk.
On a more serious note, you do not have a ‘more info’ button on the bet slip which already indicates to you what the max allowed is?
So the lesson is just to use sugar or salt on your gruel like normal folk.
On a more serious note, you do not have a ‘more info’ button on the bet slip which already indicates to you what the max allowed is?
Just logged in again ‘Indocine’ and yes there is a ‘More info’ button on the bet slip,I clicked on it and it says I can have £2500 on
Oscar Whiskey
at 4/1 if I wish!! Having never done that before I wouldn’t know what I could have had on at the ‘Pretend’ price of 6/1 but for sure I will know in the future now!Thanks!
With these special offers at stand out prices, it is obvious firms can only take a certain amount of money for the horse at that price. Therefore, it is only fair for them to limit stakes, to allow a large number of their customers to get on.
Value Is EverythingOn Monday up the road from me there is a little Ladbrokes and for an hour or so they were going price boost on all the favs to a limited £50 max. Now I had £20 on the Hurricane but when I asked if the offer was for odds on card holders only they said no. If I was betting to your stakes Gord, I would of sent the family, neighbours and passers by to go in for me and top it up so why restrict it. Bloody t0ssers……
Gaelic Warrior Gold Cup Winner 2026
I would of sent the family, neighbours and passers by to go in for me and top it up so why restrict it. Bloody t0ssers……
Absolutely Nath,I tried to get a £150 e/w on
My Tent or Yours
at 20/1 earlier this year in cash,failed,so I drove round getting 3 x £50 e/w wagers on at the price,all at Ladbrokes! I did the same with
Cristoforo Colombo
at 33/1 for the exact same stakes.Ladbrokes used to have my utmost respect as a Bookmaking firm back in the days of Mike Dillon,that guy is as shrewd as JP Mcmanus and Jonjo put together but the modern day ‘mouthpiece’ could aactually be played in a comedy sketch by none other than David Walliams,the pair would make a perfect double act.
I remember back in the day when ‘Ladbrokes’ would go short on one and that was significant,nowadays there Odds compilers do more for the likes of me than any other firms,they doubled the price ofMy Tent or yours
and
Cristoforo Colombo
for failing to win!!Now from a Punters view thats brilliant but from a marketing view its a shocker as their over-reaction undermines any confidence in their ability to assess a race.Like I said before when you have a Court Jester like David Williams running the show we’ll see them on next years Fringe at the Edinburgh festival!
With these special offers at stand out prices, it is obvious firms can only take a certain amount of money for the horse at that price. Therefore, it is only fair for them to limit stakes, to allow a large number of their customers to get on.
What a load of crap, £50 at 6/1 at Cheltenham between 8.15 & 9.00am
What were you moaning about Hills yesterday then? Boston Bob was 13/2 just before the race yesterday yet you couldn’t get a few quid at 5/1 earlier in the day but you’re still prepared to bet with them to nick a few quid here and there, have you no pride in yourself man?
Bookmakers are a cancer on the sport and I’m sick of seeing their reps spouting crap all week, worst aspect of Cheltenham for me.
RUK should be subscription free the number they have on.
Bookmakers are a cancer on the sport and I’m sick of seeing their reps spouting crap all week, worst aspect of Cheltenham for me.
Edward,I do like your ‘forthrightness’I’d suggest Bookmakers are a nescessary evil and I treat them as such.The racing fraternity treat us punters much the same!
With these special offers at stand out prices, it is obvious firms can only take a certain amount of money for the horse at that price. Therefore, it is only fair for them to limit stakes, to allow a large number of their customers to get on.
What a load of crap, £50 at 6/1 at Cheltenham between 8.15 & 9.00am
What were you moaning about Hills yesterday then? Boston Bob was 13/2 just before the race yesterday yet you couldn’t get a few quid at 5/1 earlier in the day but you’re still prepared to bet with them to nick a few quid here and there, have you no pride in yourself man?
Bookmakers are a cancer on the sport and I’m sick of seeing their reps spouting crap all week, worst aspect of Cheltenham for me.
RUK should be subscription free the number they have on.
Calm down dear.
I was frustrated yesterday because the bookmaker reduced my stake twice. I would not have any problem if it was just once.
I don’t think bookmakers are evil. Sometimes they do things that are good and sometimes they do things that are bad. You Eddie, always criticise bookmakers, whatever they do is wrong in your eyes.
I’d rather they gave punters punters good odds.If you look around for the best prices this morning Eddie, you could probably bet in some races to under 100%, so could back every horse in the race and still make a profit. If you had your way, with a tote monopoly they’d work to around 116%; possibly 120% if there were no competition. A "cancer" on punters.
Was Boston Bob 13/2 just before the race? Racing Post says "touched 11/2", 5/1 SP. Boston Bob was probably weak in the market early purely because Ruby Walsh prefered Unioniste. As he said himself "can only ride one". I made Boston Bob quite a bit shorter than 5/1 and with that (at the time) the only 5/1 available I had to take it. Does not mean you can’t take bigger if available later. Whatever, I was happy with 5/1 going to the last.
Just had Benefficient.
Value Is EverythingIf you look around for the best prices this morning Eddie, you could probably bet in some races to under 100%, so could back every horse in the race and still make a profit. If you had your way, with a tote monopoly they’d work to around 116%; possibly 120% if there were no competition. A "cancer" on punters.
I’m not convinced by your reasoning Gingertipster, a handful of races every week around 100%, big deal. What about the rest of the races?
The example you give is not relevant to the vast majority of punters as they don’t do it.
You need to look at the bigger picture, rather than basing all your thoughts on what suits Gingertipster best.
So you go running or phoning around and back every horse in a race if you can to make a small profit and that’s if they’ll give you 2 bananas to 1 in the first place.
You yourself can’t even get the price for Boston Bob at a big meeting like Cheltenham for a few quid when there’s no money for it and the price is bigger a few hours later.
Look at the sp overrounds every day, that’s a much better example, not many less than your 116%, even at Cheltenham.
Eddie I totally agree , it is worrying about RUK , whether the bookies sponsoring them will require punters to be put away as they do in the other channel
In any event I think the exchanges offer the best value consistently , with the prospect of Betdaq becoming more competitive , punters should be leaving the bookies behind and reaping the benefits of the value battle that will take place between Betfair and Betdaq ….it will happen
Leave the bookies to the addicted roulette players and mugs who know no better
imo
Ricky
If you look around for the best prices this morning Eddie, you could probably bet in some races to under 100%, so could back every horse in the race and still make a profit. If you had your way, with a tote monopoly they’d work to around 116%; possibly 120% if there were no competition. A "cancer" on punters.
I’m not convinced by your reasoning Gingertipster, a handful of races every week around 100%, big deal. What about the rest of the races?
The example you give is not relevant to the vast majority of punters as they don’t do it.
You need to look at the bigger picture, rather than basing all your thoughts on what suits Gingertipster best.
So you go running or phoning around and back every horse in a race if you can to make a small profit and that’s if they’ll give you 2 bananas to 1 in the first place.
You yourself can’t even get the price for Boston Bob at a big meeting like Cheltenham for a few quid when there’s no money for it and the price is bigger a few hours later.
Look at the sp overrounds every day, that’s a much better example, not many less than your 116%, even at Cheltenham.
Eddie,
I pointed out the less than 100% over-rounds yesterday to illustrate competition. In practice I rarely back every horse in a race. But the fact "best prices" add up to close to 100% means punters are far more likely to get a better price for their individual bet – than Tote (With the possible exception of extreme sized fields).Competition
means bookmakers have different prices; so the over-round is less. They also only add a small amount of mark up per horse; so smaller fields have a much smaller over-round compared to Tote.
No Eddie, SP’s are not a "much better example". It is Early Prices where the best competition lies and where punters can take advantage.
SP’s are more to do with on-course bookmakers, a weaker market than it used to be. Admittedly with off course bookmakers putting money in to shorten prices up. On course they’re more like traders than bookmakers these days. Just offering slightly less than exchanges, then backing them back on the machine for a small profit.
Betting SP without knowing what price you’re taking is a mugs game anyway; likewise Tote prices. Unless it’s done a couple of minutes before the off.
Better prices are best for
all
punters Eddie, not just me.
Don’t forget
all
bookmakers profits come from punters. If you want bookmakers to pay more in to "Racing" (prize-money etc) – then it will come from the
punter’s
pocket. The comparitively poor paying the comparitively rich. Same goes for a Tote Monopoly,
comparitively
poor punters handing money over to
comparitively
rich owners.
Value Is EverythingNo Eddie, SP’s are not a "much better example". It is Early Prices where the best competition lies and where punters can take advantage.
Betting SP without knowing what price you’re taking is a mugs game anyway; likewise Tote prices. Unless it’s done a couple of minutes before the off.
Most punters don’t take advantage of the early prices though, even if they had the inclination they would have the aggravation of following your Boston Bob example. People don’t want to be doing that.
Most betting is done in the minutes before a race and a much stronger Tote should suit a "good" judge like yourself who would be able to take advantage of the "poor" judges and get a lot on to back your opinion up.
I open the Racing Post this morning and see blazing adverts for 4/1 Bobs Worth with Betfred and Sir Des Champs 6/1 with Hills, they’re even highlighted in Pricewise and both Fred Done & Kate Miller promoting the prices on TV.
Surprising Tom Segal didn’t tip one of them with them being such stand out prices in his pricewise columnI look on both their websites at 8.00 am and the respective horses are 11/4 and 4/1.
Neither in their adverts in the paper, the pricewise column or from Done & Hills on TV did they state the prices would only be available at an unspecified time whatever that was.
Wouldn’t be surprised if they were breaking the advertising code.Bookmakers are a waste of time man.
I never suggested a Tote monopoly, more a Tote/Exchange one that was mooted some time ago, don’t ask me how it would work.
Eddie,
Although I am in favour of these "special offers" for punters; they should be seen as just that.If Pricewise column is including "6/1 Sir Des Champs", then I think Racing Post should look in to whether they should include Hills prices in future. It wasn’t available to any semi-serious money. I wasn’t knocked back to 3/5ths, this time it was 1/5th. (Sorry Drone).
Value Is EverythingI see Wlliam Hill according to their adverts are going "4/1" The New One, funny that when I look on their website it says 10/3.
Even Tom Segal in his pricewise table has it listed as "4/1" but like the horses he had at these stand out prices in pricewise at Cheltenham, he fails to tip The New One at the "4/1", even though he states that he thinks Hills will be inundated with enquiries for the 4/1 and that he looks top class, funny that.
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