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I was licking my lips when I heard that Ladbrokes were going non-runner no bet in all Irish ante-post races this year and they’ve laid some juicy prices on the AIG but inevitably they’re trying to patch up their rogue trader’s idea by betting to 160% on the 15 horses they quote in their opening show on the Irish Hennessy- why bother lads?
Depends how you look at it really – I saw Cashmans had gone With A Run on Glencove Marina for both the Sun Alliance and Arkle – the price, 7/2 for each.
Ladbrokes try it on
There has been much discussion on the cruder forum about the treatment of ante post bets on the postponed Fairyhouse races resheduled for tomorrow. Most firms have quite rightly voided bets placed after decs and allowed ante post bets placed before this to stand. Not so Ladbrokes, who are trying to void all bets, in contravention of their rules which state that for events run at the same venue later ante post bets stand unless entries are reopened, which in this case they haven’t been.
The more cynical amongst us wonder if it is mere coincidence that Ladbrokes are up to their tonsils with 3/1 Catch Me.If it’s in their own rules, then your case is water-tight I’d have thought. Was glancing at your thread earlier actually and wondered if your bet would stand.
Not so Ladbrokes, who are trying to void all bets
What do you mean "trying"? surely they either are or aren’t voiding?
I’d wait till after the race, go collect if it wins or get a refund if it loses.
It’s actually a Tattersalls rule and no firm has any right to ignore or rewrite it. My experience of the firm recently is that it’s probably ignorance rather than underhandedness, not that that will be any consolation.
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I wondered about this Carv, as I was in a Ladbrokes yesterday and the Manager showed me his message screen, which said all bets before 5 day decs to stand, all bets after that stage void, which is rather a strange way to deal with it.
No time to do anything with it at the mo’, but I’ll have a look at the other forum later.
Not so Ladbrokes, who are trying to void all bets
What do you mean "trying"? surely they either are or aren’t voiding?
I’d wait till after the race, go collect if it wins or get a refund if it loses.
What I mean by trying is that they have voided bets placed on the internet- they cannot of course void a cash bet unless the punter volunteers his slip in a shop. We will only know our fate after the event and your stategy is my favoured option at the moment!
I received this email Sunday evening:
"Dear Customer,
We write with reference to today’s Fairyhouse racing which was
unfortunately abandoned due to the adverse weather conditions.The following races will now be re-opened for fresh declarations at 10am
on Tuesday 1st December:Drinmore novice Chase
Hattons Grace Hurdle
Royal Bond Novice HurdleAs a result of this action, all bets placed on the above markets, after
the original five day declarations (12pm Tuesday 24th November 2009)
have been declared void, this is in conjunction with our rules.New markets will be posted shortly for the now re-arranged meeting,
taking place on Wednesday 2nd December.Please accept our sincere apologies for any inconvenience that this may
have caused you.Kind regards,
David Hughes
Customer Services Team Manager"That’s the problem Scottf, their own rules state:
If a bet on an Ante Post selection was placed after the entries closed, it will become void unless:
The race is run on a later date at the same venue; and entries are not re-opened, in which case the bet will stand.
The entries have not been reopened, all that’s happened is that new decs are being allowed, therefore any bets placed up to the 48hr decs on the Friday should stand.
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To be fair to Ladbrokes (that’s something you won’t hear often) the Racing Post did carry the story that the rescheduled race would be opened again for new entries – entries to be in by 10.00 am today. I checked on HRI, and they said exactly the same, so that was probably he Press Association line? Clearly that wasn’t the case, and original bets should stand.
I called into Ladbrokes tonight, and they have reinstated my original bet at 3/1, though only at a local level so far, as cusomer services weren’t replying. Will call in again in the morning to clarify.Ok, after a call to Customer Service, bets placed after the 5 day decs on the 24th are void because Ladbrokes went NRNB so antepost rules no longer applied.
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If they were NRNB it was probably only on internet betting, and it wasn’t advertised generally.
Imo, Ladbrokes have got this round their neck (possibly because of their liabilities – they are notably shorter than most of their oppositiob today), and it seems they’re rectifying it to those who complain loud enough, while keeping a deliberately low profile for the rest.
My bet is bona fide, by discretion so I’m told, but I still fail to see how they can deem it a new race, particularly given Rory’s point about the general rule?Eventually after much toing and froing a guy called Mark Reilly in customer service in London has confirmed to shop staff that my bet stands. I suggest anyone who’s bet was voided gets onto him before racing if they want it reinstated. The Irish operation made the cock-up on this.
Ok, after a call to Customer Service, bets placed after the 5 day decs on the 24th are void because Ladbrokes went NRNB so antepost rules no longer applied.
That’s not true as such. When firms go NRNB before the declarations stage, it is a concession and does not affect a customer’s rights under Tattersalls Rules. The refunding of bets will also be a concession and anyone holding an ante-post voucher who wants their bet to stand has every right to do so.
Eventually after much toing and froing a guy called Mark Reilly in customer service in London has confirmed to shop staff that my bet stands. I suggest anyone who’s bet was voided gets onto him before racing if they want it reinstated. The Irish operation made the cock-up on this.
Mark Reilly should know his rules pretty well, unlike most customer services operatives, as his background is in Trading.
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