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I had a few quid on Ektihaam weeks ago and was hoping a few would drop out instead the field looks to have gained a few(Trading Leather), still this Ektihaam has caught the eye this year and is improving and maybe able to slip the field and hang on. Cant have St Nic going right handed but if Cirrus runs to his best were all in trouble.
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St Nicholas Abbey has not won when racing around right handed tracks. Maybe he has a problem with going that way?
This is intersting, I used to have a similar feeling about the great High Chap.
However, I do think his effort behind Danedream and Nathaniel in this race was not far, if at all behind, St Nics top form.
I also don’t buy that CDA needs cut. Meydan and Ascot on Good Ground are well up there with his best performances.
I don’t see how St Nic is shorter than CDA, but the pair of them are older than ideal for a King George.
The classic generation have a good record in this race, and coupling this with the age of the top two, I’ll go for a typically durable, and Classic winning, Bolger inmate. I’d be dissapointed if Trading Leather couldn’t win this.
I think we would have heard if they were considering supplementing Hillstar because the 22nd of the month is the date for doing so. It costs £75000 to supplement and I just can’t see them paying that amount when he needs to find a lot of improvement to be competitive against older horses.
I see him as more of a St Leger horse and Battle Of Marengo did little for the form in the Grand Prix de Paris last Saturday.
Cheers Steve, it’s a fair point as he has been touted by many as more of a ‘Leger type’, but I do seem to remember a certain Stoute horse by the name of
Conduit
winning the Oldest Classic before winning this the following year, albeit a year older and wiser. It did start as a bit of a pipe-dream that I’ve probably just gotten a bit carried away with in all honesty, I’m the sad schmuck sat there on Betfair waiting for £6 to be matched@120
Boz, I read today that they are still thinking about supplementing Hillstar. Apparently Stoutie will talk with the owner over the weekend and the decision will rest in her hands. Good luck if you’re on him.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
I think we would have heard if they were considering supplementing Hillstar because the 22nd of the month is the date for doing so. It costs £75000 to supplement and I just can’t see them paying that amount when he needs to find a lot of improvement to be competitive against older horses.
I see him as more of a St Leger horse and Battle Of Marengo did little for the form in the Grand Prix de Paris last Saturday.
Cheers Steve, it’s a fair point as he has been touted by many as more of a ‘Leger type’, but I do seem to remember a certain Stoute horse by the name of
Conduit
winning the Oldest Classic before winning this the following year, albeit a year older and wiser. It did start as a bit of a pipe-dream that I’ve probably just gotten a bit carried away with in all honesty, I’m the sad schmuck sat there on Betfair waiting for £6 to be matched@120
Boz, I read today that they are still thinking about supplementing Hillstar. Apparently Stoutie will talk with the owner over the weekend and the decision will rest in her hands. Good luck if you’re on him.
I’ve got to say when I posted this I’d heard no news of him being supplemented, I just saw it as a distinct possibility. Absolutely gutted now though, got impatient and got rid of my unmatched bet. Guessing all the fancy prices have disappeared now
C’est la vie I suppose! I’ve got to say when I posted this I’d heard no news of him being supplemented, I just saw it as a distinct possibility. Absolutely gutted now though, got impatient and got rid of my unmatched bet. Guessing all the fancy prices have disappeared now
C’est la vie I suppose! I say c’est la vie, I could tell you how I really feel having just seen the current price on Betfair, but I’m afraid I might get kicked off the forum
Hillstar has been supplemented and is generally a 10/1 shot. He could improve but I think it would take a lot better than beating Battle Of Marengo to be involved in this better race against seasoned seniors.
Ektihaam ew for me at 10/1 in the hope that he can stay on his feet this time.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Paul Hanagan goes to York to ride
Mukhadram
ahead of
Ektihaam
in this, Dane O’Neill takes the mount. Shame for fans of the latter as Hanagan had really seemed to be getting a tune out of him recently setting the fractions up front
Mukhadram is 6/4 with Sky Bet for his race on Saturday. Going by the official ratings he has 8lb in hand on the field and it would be disappointing if he can’t take advantage in this easier company.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Mukhadram is 6/4 with Sky Bet for his race on Saturday. Going by the official ratings he has 8lb in hand on the field and it would be disappointing if he can’t take advantage in this easier company.
Very true Steve, but a big ride to pass up nonetheless. Definitely a case of head ruling heart on this occasion, and it’s not as if
Ektihaam
goes to Berkshire without a chance as many on the forum have rightfully put their case forward, including your good self. Strange one if you ask me.
I was looking at the betting yesterday and decided to head to Ladbrokes to top up my Ektihaam bet as they were offering 10/1
Checked this morning and saw the sad news concerning the well-being of St Nicholas Abbey and the market has been rejigged.
If you take the view, as I do, that this year’s 3yo crop look weak then it is hard for me to envisage Ektihaam out of the first three and he’s still an 8/1 shot.
Novellist beat Cirrus Des Aigles last time but is a win by just over a length from the decent but exposed Dunaden really all that strong a piece of form? Cirrus Des Aigles must have been well below his best that day, as the ground was soft and should have suited. Will he and the winner that day really be at their best on good to firm?
Trading Leather’s chance depends solely on how good his Irish Derby win was, as far as I am concerned. Most of the Epsom protagonists flopped that day, so it is hard to gauge the real merit of the form. If we take Galileo Rock as the one who reproduced his form can we really say that would be good enough to see Trading Leather lift the King George?
Hillstar was beaten in two handicaps before shocking almost everyone with a defeat of Battle Of Marengo at Ascot. We need to believe that he improved 16lbs in his third outing this season after improving just 3lbs in his second race of the year. If he does win the King George we will have to look back and see that he was beaten at 10/11 off a mark of 92 in a Newbury handicap and endure a WTF moment. It’s not impossible of course but it seems unlikely to me. Still, they have stumped up a lot of cash to take their chance and I think he has more room for improvement than the likeable Trading Leather.
Anyway, good luck to all and let’s hope there are no more setbacks for any of the runners. All the best to St Nicholas Abbey, I hope he will be OK.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Mukhadram is 6/4 with Sky Bet for his race on Saturday. Going by the official ratings he has 8lb in hand on the field and it would be disappointing if he can’t take advantage in this easier company.
The 6/4 Mukhadram is gone, now 10/11 with sponsors Sky Bet. Looks like punters are taking the hint that Hanagan isn’t going to York for the scenery on Saturday!
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Mukhadram is in to 4/7 for his race now. Was 6/4 a gift?
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Mukhadram is in to 4/7 for his race now. Was 6/4 a gift?
Looks that way now! Hope you snapped it up? I dillied and dallied…..
I was looking at the betting yesterday and decided to head to Ladbrokes to top up my Ektihaam bet as they were offering 10/1
Checked this morning and saw the sad news concerning the well-being of St Nicholas Abbey and the market has been rejigged.
If you take the view, as I do, that this year’s 3yo crop look weak then it is hard for me to envisage Ektihaam out of the first three and he’s still an 8/1 shot.
Novellist beat Cirrus Des Aigles last time but is a win by just over a length from the decent but exposed Dunaden really all that strong a piece of form? Cirrus Des Aigles must have been well below his best that day, as the ground was soft and should have suited. Will he and the winner that day really be at their best on good to firm?
Trading Leather’s chance depends solely on how good his Irish Derby win was, as far as I am concerned. Most of the Epsom protagonists flopped that day, so it is hard to gauge the real merit of the form. If we take Galileo Rock as the one who reproduced his form can we really say that would be good enough to see Trading Leather lift the King George?
Hillstar was beaten in two handicaps before shocking almost everyone with a defeat of Battle Of Marengo at Ascot. We need to believe that he improved 16lbs in his third outing this season after improving just 3lbs in his second race of the year. If he does win the King George we will have to look back and see that he was beaten at 10/11 off a mark of 92 in a Newbury handicap and endure a WTF moment. It’s not impossible of course but it seems unlikely to me. Still, they have stumped up a lot of cash to take their chance and I think he has more room for improvement than the likeable Trading Leather.
Anyway, good luck to all and let’s hope there are no more setbacks for any of the runners. All the best to St Nicholas Abbey, I hope he will be OK.
Think Ektihaam has a great shot of being placed in this. I have backed him but with some rain around, there is every chance that the sting will be gone from the ground the favorite should really win this.
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Timeform’s man on ATR today agrees that Cirrus Des Aigles will take all the beating. Their ratings put him 11 pounds clear of Ektihaam at 142 to 131. The ratings after then are much closer together trailing back to Hillstar on 125 as the lowest rated in the field. We were informed that the average King George winner rating with Timeform is 138
Gina Bryce questioned whether Cirrus Des Aigles retains all his ability given his age and a modest first time effort but this was countered with the fact that the horse always needs his first run of the season. The Timeform team are, according to today’s representative, of the opinion that Cirrus Des Aigles should be an odds on shot.
Obviously I strongly fear the favourite but 8 of his 11 wins have been over 10f and 3 over 12f, only one of which was group 1 company. In addition, for all that some people say they don’t buy into the ground being a key factor for him, he has never won on going faster than good, which he has done twice, with 9 of his wins having soft in the going description.
He’s rated the best horse in the world and he has a fabulous collection of prize money after his name. Good luck to him, as anything he does magnifies the legend of Frankel.
If I had to lay a horse it would be Trading Leather. Looking back at The Irish Derby his win was gritty but dour and the English Derby form looks to have more mince in it than a value range lasagne. The commentator on Mars’ race last night probably had it spot on when he said that the best horse in this year’s Epsom Derby was the one that finished last.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
This race looks pretty simple to me. It depends entirely on whether CDA retains his ability. If he does, he wins – simple as that. His trainer seems to think he is better than ever and with the ground riding good and with plenty of rain forecast tomorrow morning I will be filling my boots.
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