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  • #1656300
    mickeyjp
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    Can see the field cutting up. Can see a rodin going for the juddmonte instead. I’d go adelaide river ew. Is improving with every run and could well be in the shake up. Hukum is the logical bet though pyledriver could well confound us again.

    #1656320
    Mike007
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    How far is King Of Steel going to win by anyway ;o)

    FYI, only the great Enable managed to win the race older than 5 this century.

    #1656322
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    I like King Of Steel, but cut in the ground for him would be an unknown at this level (he won his Maiden on it).

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    I keep reading this is shaping up to be the greatest King George for years.

    There is a difference between greatest and most competitive.

    The bottom line is that nothing going into this race has an OR higher than 124 and it’s the host of horses with similar ratings that makes it so open and fascinating.

    There’s just 6lb between the top ten entries (confirmed entries later today) on BHA OR….

    Pyledriver 124
    Auguste Rodin 123
    Desert Crown 123
    Emily Upjohn 123*
    Hukum 122
    Luxembourg 122
    Adayar 121
    King Of Steel 120
    Westover 119
    Broome 118

    *3lb gender allowance added

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    #1656340
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    15 confirmed entries.

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    Avatar photoVenture to Cognac
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    Was going to sit this out as usual, not a race I normally look at, but waiting to see if Hamish was confirmed. Just think the price is way too big. Obvious chance that he won’t actually be confirmed, but think the forecast is in his favour, and if he did go, I’d expect a run for my money.

    Took up to 110’s, and also a bit at 100’s EW

    Edit took 130’s

    Hamish 130’s/100’s EW

    #1656344
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    It’s a big price for a horse who only has 7lb to find on OR and is likely to get his ground.

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    Desert Crown @ 7.8

    Some race this and will take a good one to win, but he looked a very special horse in that Derby on only his third run. That comeback run was not too shabby either and for me he is the only one i could see winning impressively if spot on.

    Obviously a good chance he may not as well.

    #1656349
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    I can’t believe Hukum isn’t clear favourite for this.

    #1656350
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    As previously stated, I made a rare trip to Sandown Park the evening of the Brigadier Gerard Stakes.

    Desert Crown appeared to my eye to have made negligible physical improvement from three to four and Hukum, an absolute beast of an animal, made Desert Crown look like a whippet.

    Over a trip which should have suited Desert Crown the better of the pair, Hukum won entirely on merit.

    With a chance of rain every day from Wednesday onwards, Hukum should have his ground and if the word “Soft” is in the going description on the day, Hukum must start favourite.

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    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
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    King of Steel is a big beast but as impressive as he was at Royal Ascot and he was impressive it was Arrest that was 2nd favourite that day and he completely bombed out again. It was a near enough open goal. I’d like to see him win this but he still has question marks against his name for me.

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    As I posted on page 1 Hukum had to have a great chance and 7/1 looks
    pretty decent. I took the chance of taking Hamish 100/1, taking account
    of the weather. Ascot is g/s at the moment, if the forecasts are right
    (rain every day) there’s no way it’s going to be better than sft/h or even heavy.
    King of Steel has run once on heavy, where he was 7th of 8.

    Emily UpJohn has never run on anything worse than g/s. Pyledriver
    has run 3 times on soft ( won 1 and 2nd last in other) as a 2yr old
    and 7th in the champion stakes at 3. Last 6 runs on g/f and good.
    Westover likes it good or g/f.

    Hukum is more than happy on soft. Hamish wouldn’t have a chance on good
    ground against these, but if it gets heavy, he is at his best.

    I think, as Mickey said, there’s a fair chance this could cut up, with
    some of the fancied runners pulling out. I’ll wait and see, but I’d be
    happy if a deluge is on it’s way.

    #1656429
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    The race is going to be run on different ground to what the Derby was by the look of it if the band of forecast rain arrives. So I’ve switched to Hukum ew.

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    “As I posted on page 1 Hukum had to have a great chance and 7/1 looks
    pretty decent. I took the chance of taking Hamish 100/1, taking account
    of the weather. Ascot is g/s at the moment, if the forecasts are right
    (rain every day) there’s no way it’s going to be better than sft/h or even heavy.
    King of Steel has run once on heavy, where he was 7th of 8.”

    Win or lose, I think that’s a really smart betting strategy from you, Graham.

    Hukum will get his ground and so will Hamish, who IMO as a horse who would only be getting 7lb if this was a handicap should be 16/1, not 100/1.

    I’m also on Emily Upjohn at double-digit odds, but, while she won here on Good to Soft last October, might not want any more rain.

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    #1656446
    Eezer
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    Hukum 4-1 is still a good price in my view, so he’s my selection here

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    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
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    I’d love to see Hamish win. 12f will be sharp enough for him though
    would need a swamp

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    Course and distance Cumberland Lodge winner only last October, if it’s Soft on Saturday Hamish will surely beat some currently at shorter odds than him.

    This may of course mean he merely finishes fifth, not 15th, but I wouldn’t lay 100/1 and I hear Nathbet only go 9s, and that’s win only.

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