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Without discrediting a very good racehorse, I have always thought Eagle Top has been overhyped by many and I will not be expecting him to hit the frame.
The Hardwicke was a strange old race this year and Telescope comes into this at 14/1 off the back of it. I would be happy to go each way and a forecast with GH the winner.
I know Telescope has been a blessing for the bookies on a lot of occasions but he is a seriously consistent horse who demands respect.I think GH’s performance in the Eclipse has been underestimated.A lot has been made of the fact he took so long to get on top of The Grey Gatsby, but he still went on to win comfortably in the end against a very good horse(2nd to the brilliant Solow by a similar margin in March) which came to his quarters going very easy……but he still had the class to size him up and pull away.He is still new to the game relatively speaking and had never front run before, so every race is adding to his experience.
In my opinion he is very like Sea The Stars and im sure if he had been forward enough he would have made a real go of the Guineas like his half brother.The way he glided past his field in the Dante tells me he could easily have been placed at worst in the Guineas, and i am sure he will win the King George comfortably all things being equal.
Cant wait to watch him again.
Sea The Stars would have sat on Frankel's quarters and picked him off!
Golden Horn is too short now in the betting for me.
I’m starting to warm to Snow Sky. Come on a bundle this year and you just worry with the favourite in that he’s hard three or four hard races already, for a three year old.
I also like Lumiere on the same card in the Princess Margaret stakes.
telescope OUT
I nearly had an e/w on him yesterday, but decided to wait till this morning to see if his price
changed at all. Thank goodness I did or my money would be floating down the Suwannee by now.I can’t bring myself to back Golden Horn at odds on, but I can’t see him getting beat either, no matter
how the race is run. Actually I can see a John Gosden 123 here (in betting order) but it’s just not
a race where I can take any financial interest.Took 8-1 Snow Sky earlier.
This horse reminds me of Doyen in the 1990s who won the Hardwicke impressively before going on to slam his rivals in the King George. Or Harbinger of course.
Trainer has a great record in the race having won it five times.
Obviously the favourite is respected but wouldn’t begin to think of backing it at 4-9.
I think the other thing that is in Snow Sky’s favour is the rain that’s forecast to be around on Friday night/Saturday morning.
Obviously Golden Horn got the mile and a half well at Epsom but I wonder if it comes up testing whether they might even be tempted to pull him out, I doubt it but surely if it turns into a slog it will be against the horse. Gosden has already suggested that Longchamp in October would be hardly in the horse’s favour because of the testing going they have in France at that time of the year.
Ok Ascot drains very well and I doubt it could ever get that testing in July anyway, but it won’t be the rattling quick ground Golden Horn encountered at Epsom and Sandown. It will be most likely be good to soft good in places but the mile and a half will take some getting I imagine, especially if they go a decent gallop.
Take into account that Snow Sky won on Heavy ground on his second run at Salisbury by 11 lengths, and that he’s already proven he stays much further than a mile and a half, also throw in that the Jockey is buzzing about his chances and also factor in the trainers brilliant record in the race, and 8-1 looks very good indeed.
In a way I think he’s been underestimated because although he won that Hardwicke on merit, all the talk afterwards was about all the argy bargy with Eagle Top and Postponed, and we are still seeing the fall out of that now with Atzeni replacing Kirby on the Cumani horse.
Clerk of the course (forgotten his name) says there is likely to be plenty of rain from lunchtime tomorrow. Having had a look at the weather maps it looks like there could be heavy, persistent rain from 7am till early evening. That would be plenty enough for it to go soft and to stay soft throughout Saturday. Watch this space.
On a side note if it does get plenty soft by 3pm tomorrow I would take another look at Gosden’s filly Solar Magic (10/1) in the listed mile tomorrow.
Two no-shows over 10f recently but finished just ahead of Amazing Maria on good to firm earlier this year and she likes Ascot.If there is too much rain then surely they will pull out Golden Horn and save him for the Autumn, although what race I’m not exactly sure, as the champion stakes is run at Ascot anyway which that time of the year might also be soft, the Arc likewise, and I don’t think the trainer is interested in the breeders cup. Irish champion stakes? Perhaps they’ll just retire him.
Gosden sent Ravens Pass to the Breeders Cup. They tend to go flat out from pillar to post so that would play to Golden Horn’s style provide he held his own with early fractions and wasn’t outsped. The tight turns could pose a problem though.
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Gosden sent Ravens Pass to the Breeders Cup. They tend to go flat out from pillar to post so that would play to Golden Horn’s style provide he held his own with early fractions and wasn’t outsped. The tight turns could pose a problem though.
I’m pretty sure I recall the owner expressing strongly after Golden Horn won the Eclipse (although I might well be wrong with this) that he wouldn’t be interested in running the horse in either the Arc or the Breeders cup.
Sorry I should have said in my previous post that “I don’t think the OWNER is interested in the Breeders cup”
as you point out there’s no reason to think Gosden himself wouldn’t be interested.
People often over-react to a bit of rain. Unless it’s heavy ground Golden Horn will win. If he stayed the stiffest mile and a half at Epsom without getting tired (Dettori says he has never felt tired yet) then he’ll stay at Ascot. Frankel won on soft ground, Brigadier Gerard won on soft, so did Dancing Brave, Mill Reef ….. – the best horses do.
Still pelting it down at Ascot.
I’ll be amazed now if Golden Horn runs.
I like Platitude in the first (by dansili, who’s progeny loves it soft) Salvo in the princess Margaret and Snow Sky in the big one.
Still with all the rain that also brings into play the likes of Clever Cookie, with his abundant stamina and loving for soft ground. Madame Chiang another mud lover.
problem now taking the shorter prices on clever cookie is,if GH is pulled out you are looking at a big chunk out of the potential winnings.
Good luck to all those on a massive prices
I am astonished that Clever Cookie is as low as 7/1 for this race.
Jonibake was on at 50/1 and that was much more like it for me anyway.
We know that heavy ground can be a great leveller of class but I reckon this would be the worst incarnation of this race ever if Clever Cookie can win it.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
People often over-react to a bit of rain. Unless it’s heavy ground Golden Horn will win. If he stayed the stiffest mile and a half at Epsom without getting tired (Dettori says he has never felt tired yet) then he’ll stay at Ascot. Frankel won on soft ground, Brigadier Gerard won on soft, so did Dancing Brave, Mill Reef ….. – the best horses do.
Yes , but apart from Mill Reef , all the other horses you mention were much less effective on soft ground ,
and their usual brilliance was impaired because of it . Soft ground is a great leveller .
Golden Horn may still win , but I reckon he will have his stamina tested to the limit .Gambling Only Pays When You're Winning
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