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Hey Matron, have you noticed….. there’s Steve, Jake, Kieth and me, having a bit of a ding dong, and even old Escy comes down to have a swing, but where’s that Urby, in the corner fissed as a part…… I’ve shouted at him but I think he’s comatose, mind you, that might be his natural state cos he is from Norfolk……  hahaha….. sorry Urb, but you gotta wake up cos I need you in my corner. Taint no good you lying there in a drunken stupid (sorry, stupor), when I’m in the process of having my arse kicked…….. The only other reason he cant reply is that he might be in the middle of….  mmmmmm….. give him some Bromide Matron…….<br>:smiley:  :smiley:
MrE
Happy New Year MrE.
Probably gone for his annual "dip" in the North Sea, to "wash away them Norfolk blues". Once he "sobers up" know doubt he will grace us with his presence and even maybe a new system!
Regards – Matron<br>:cool:
You know me E’sy – no good at arguing, just being the court jester! :) Anyway, how am I supposed to argue in favour of systems with my track record? I know 50% of the systems I’ve tried out on here have shown a profit, but what about the other two thirds (?) ;)
Dave.
P.S. It’s been about six years since I had a drink, can you imagine how bad I’d be if I started again? :bad:
Blimey Mr E you really do seem to be taking mine and Steve’s postings the wrong way.  Maybe I should sprinkle them with "smileys" to show what a jovial funster I am. <br>For the record I have loved systems ever since I won £5,000 ten years ago using a system I devised which had a great strike rate at good odds.  I thought I had discovered the secret to eternal wealth.   It wasn’t until I did some serious research through back issues of the Sporting Life that I realised I had just noticed a short term trend and had been fortunate enough to exploit it to the full.
If my approach seems more serious than most then I plead guilty as charged. My ambition for this year is to win enough to live off and nearly all my bets will be of a systematic nature therefore I can’t just hope to be lucky.  Making great profits for six months then losing it in the next three will be no good for me.
Tee-Hee.
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Thats a better sign off Kieth my mate…… I thought we’d lost you to the Victor Meldrew mob upstairs…… I never take things the wrong way, its just that I’m a bit partial to starting a fight and then running away and watch from a distance….  hehehe…… yeah, cowardly I know, but oh so funny…… just call me custard…… and if your reading this Urb, your Maths wasn’t lost on me but you probably thought it was right…….<br>Anyway guys, tis a good debate, its what this forums all about but did you notice, Jersey Jake’s buggered off…. that musta been him hiding behind me…….<br>:buddy:
MrE
I think MrE gets quite excited about the amount of "doubters" with regards to systems; but he does have a good sense of humour and his postings reflect this.
I think the main point MrE is trying to make is the profitability of "short odds" selections (with either a "rolling double" or even a "rolling treble" staking plan to be utilized to enhance profits.) – but he does like emphasize his point in a forceful manner sometimes. :laugh:
A lot of people consider "short prices" unprofitable in the long term – and certainly that is probably correct to "level stakes". MrE made his point sometime ago on here to reconsider my strategy on staking and he has certainly changed my way of thinking in this area and made my betting a lot more profitable with less risk to the bank.
I use "The Times"(The Beano)  for the "First Favourite" in this section of the forum and MrE uses "The Racing Post" to make his selection so some days we do differ as the stats are not always the same. Which paper to use of the long term? I don’t know, but I guess the results between the two will even out long term.
I suppose at the end of day the "proof is in the pudding", so if I am still posting the "First Favourite" in a years time and it is still in profit long term, I will be very arrogant and say –  "I told you so".:laugh:
Regards – Matron<br>:cool:
Matron…. thats the longest letter you’ve ever strung together, musta taken ya all afternoon….. hehehe….
MrE
Keith<br>I cannot understand your logic over this.<br>Lets leave betting alone and take any big company say Tesco’s they know by siting store where they do having the car parks as big as they do stocking the lines they do having cutomer loyalty cards etc etc etc in a way it is all a system as they know rom past results that these things do work. There will be some years where one store might burn down or a reccession where people spend less but overall they are all based on past performance they obviously are looking for new ways of making more money like openeing mini shops in garages 24/7 but they do not after a bad year decide all the methods they have appiled the seasons they have made profits suddenly get ditched!<br>If you apply this thinking to a betting sytem that has done well why should it not continue after a losing spell<br>everyone who bets will have a losing spell,. If you read Gary Wiltshires (the rails bookie) postings on GG.com you will read he also has losing weeks but he knows if he keeps standing at the track overall he will make money that is his system.<br>Even just guessing if thats all someone ever does is still a sysytem although it may not be a good un!
Well MrE, I took a double dose of my vitamin pills and they perked me up to the hilt if you know what I mean. :laugh:
Regards – Matron<br>:cool:
Yeah Matron, the debate is swinging along quite nicely now. We can leave ’em at it but give me a shout at the first sign of blood……  :biggrin:
MrE
There are some systems that cannot be tested very easily without having a copy of a racing post for the however many years. Take for instance my repeat winner system, I have a database of all results stretching back 5 years but I cannot test for these without physically checking every result manually and as you can imagine that could takes years in the few minutes I get spare and I wouldn’t imagine the program that checks all pass performance can check for this either – so some systems have to be trial and error!
KTT,<br>These systemites have not been blessed with your diverse sense of humour yet, so go easy on them! :) (smiley just for you!)
Hi everyone and a Happy New Year, I´m new to the forum, but I´ve been reading your posts for the last few days and I´d like to compliment you on the quality of this board. I´d written a post up but something went wrong so I´ll test it with this introduction before Ilose all that effort.  Cheers John
Eureka! Now I can get on with boring you all! I´d like to make a few comments about system profitability.  A system has its winners, comprehended by its Strike Rate, distributed in a completely RANDOM manner. Probability tells us that a system with a SR of 50%, providing a bet every day, should produce a losing run of 10, approx. once every 3 years. Probability also shows us that consecutive strings of 6,7,or 8 losers are not evidence of a system going wrong, but are in fact just the natural behaviour of a perfectly good system acting normally. Though it does underline the necessity of adequate if not abundant funding. One of the dangers of using any system is the fact that it may have its SR altered (for worse) by external factors without the operator knowing. For example an exeptionaly wet year or the recent foot and mouth epidemic. Another eventual problem is the progresive decline in profitability.  A victim of its own success, prices soon begin to shorten and a system tends to become (at level stakes) barely profitable.  Systems with high SRs might lend themselves to some cautious form of retrieval but it would be a very incautious punter who tried that with a SR below 40%. I hope this might help in some way.  John
exellent post Johnygringo,<br>the main reason (as I have already potsed) why people leave systems is not the actual sysytem as nothing in life is a certainty and the only certainty is that there never has been one and NEVER WILL. <br>It is just a case of poor money management but easier to blame someone else or a system than oneself!
After following this thread with interest heres my twopennoth,<br>I’ve been searching the internet and forums like these for some time now looking for some kind of system that not only works but suits me,<br>one of the most sensible theories that I have read so far comes from Van der Wheil who suggests that no system will work longterm but that the key is to take a system that appeals (ie is profitable and works for you….frequency,stakes etc) and then apply your own <br>opinion,commonsense,intuition,gut-feeling,call it what you want,to the end result to arrive at your selection,<br>This then becomes a METHOD as opposed to a SYSTEM.
Imho I think this may be the answer(certainly for me anyway!(
I would also like to offer as evidence:
Matron:who uses a system and then throws in "gut-feeling"
Mr E: who uses the above and then throws in his particular staking.
Both the above seem to exemplify VDWs idea and  are obviously  proving profitable
So to sum up ,perhaps we should all stop looking for the" holy grail", adopt a method which suits us,and get on with it??
I hope this doesnt offend anybody and instead gives food for thought and discussion which is what makes these boards great and hopefully gives us the edge over the camel coats!!
Rocco
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