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A pious hope. As I’ve noted several times,
Silvoir
has been notable by his absence from these debates, despite getting on for around a thousand posts on the topic this year (as a rough guess). There were 200 or so yesterday, for sure, and most of them were fiercely angry about the new rules (as with the Racing Post online comments I think about 75%- 25% is the ballpark figure).
I saw Silvoir yesterday at Salisbury and told him I was trying to defend the new rules on TRF. He laughed and said "you’re the only one".
Do you think Paul Struthers might have other things to do with his time at this juncture?
Value Is EverythingYort – your comments about half beating a horse to death are thoroughly reprehensible and, in my opinion, have no place in an educated debate on this forum.
You should also review the way in which you responded to gingertipster as it is little more than abuse. Whether you agree with him or not, he is one of the most interesting posters on this forum.
If you cannot behave appropriately perhaps you would feel more at home on one of the other forums.
Many thanks for your comments Coggy. As Yort didn’t say what he was refering to I just ignored it.
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I saw Silvoir yesterday at Salisbury and told him I was trying to defend the new rules on TRF. He laughed and said "you’re the only one".
Do you think Paul Struthers might have other things to do with his time at this juncture?
I’d have thought that Pacifying the Citizens of the State of Racing might be a perfectly good use of his time; but if he’s too busy going racing with you,
Ginger
, then good luck to him.
Though he’s wrong. You’re not the only one. Merely the most persistent!
I believe one way the new rules should be changed is by disqualifying horses who’s jockey has a complete disregard for the whip rules.
For minor infringements the horse should keep the race.
For major infringements (like that of Kieren Fox today) the horse should be disqualified.Gingertipster, you keep making one outrageous statement after another. You’ve previously repeatedly said that whip rules are regularly flouted more or less solely in valuable races and should result in disqualification in those but produce no facts and figures to back this up. It is an incorrect statement as there were plenty of bans in low value races but now you want disqualification for low value races despite the jockey receiving a ridiculous 15 day ban, the punishment does not fit the "crime".
But as you keep moving the goalposts to fit you’re argument even after only 1 day of the new rules why don’t you go the whole hog and have disqualification for every horse whose jockey breaks the rules?Not "more or less soley in valuable races" at all Yeats, but that was the most high profile problem with the existing rules. I have always been in favour of disqualification in ANY race (of high or low value) where the jockey has infringed the rules to a large degree. That is just my own opinion and am willing to give these new rules a chance to work.
A 15 day ban is not ridiculous at all Yeats. I’d have liked it to be more. Punishment does fit the crime, when it is very questionable whether Unorthodox lad would’ve won without Fox’s total disregard of the rules. There needs to be a deterent against him/other jockeys doing the same. Otherwise we’ll get more win at all cost rides.
NB I don’t mean win at all costs as in "doing things that are dangerous to the horse". I don’t see Fox’s ride as unfair on the horse itself, but it is unfair to every other jockey in the race, particularly the second who kept within the rules. I mean win at all cost as in "being willing to totally disregard the rules to win".
Whether this particular case was an
accidental misjudgement
or
not
, the deterrent must be big enough to persuade jockeys
NOT
to do this type of thing
DELIBERATELY
.
If you tell me Yeats, what "goalposts" I’ve moved or "outrageous statements I’ve made, might be able to further explain my position.
Value Is EverythingI saw Silvoir yesterday at Salisbury and told him I was trying to defend the new rules on TRF. He laughed and said "you’re the only one".
Do you think Paul Struthers might have other things to do with his time at this juncture?
I’d have thought that Pacifying the Citizens of the State of Racing might be a perfectly good use of his time; but if he’s too busy going racing with you,
Ginger
, then good luck to him.
Though he’s wrong. You’re not the only one. Merely the most persistent!
Guilty as charged.I only saw him for a brief moment Pinza, otherwise I would’ve asked Paul to come on and explain. However, with so many TRF posts on the subject, he’d have been here for a year answering questions.
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I only saw him for a brief moment Pinza, otherwise I would’ve asked Paul to come on and explain. However, with so many TRF posts on the subject, he’d have been here for a year answering questions.
Given
Silvoir
‘s customary intelligence, a brief and honest explanation of the current mood in High Holborn would be more helpful than getting himself embroiled in a series of debates in which he’d quite possibly be forced into defending things which he himself finds personally indefensible!
a brief and honest explanation of the current mood in High Holborn would be more helpful than getting himself embroiled in a series of debates in which he’d quite possibly be forced into defending things which he himself finds personally indefensible!
Trying to second guess what someone else has in their mind again?
You must put your mind reading skills to better use Pinza.
Value Is EverythingRe.
Steeplechasing
‘s desire for a full-scale enquiry into the Fox ride, and his call to ban the jockey (and trainer) for a long period, this link to the owner’s public statement to
Sporting Life
should surely soften any indignation:
Nunn’s quote of:
"What it comes to is that there is a chance that the horse might not have won yesterday and that affects little men like me".Team Nunn’s rule breaking certainly affects
little men like
Harry Bentley, Alan Jarvis and his owner, who kept to the rules and lost out on a winner by a short head.
If I’d been the owner or trainer of "Un" Orthadox Lad, I’d have given the prize money to the second. Exactly like someone here said should happen. Appologies to that poster for not quoting.
Value Is Everything"That horse now has one win under his belt. From a breeding point of view, that makes a big difference to us. Plus he’s in the Horses In Training sale next week. Some don’t understand the other angles," said Nunn, who also bred Orthodox Lad.
Nunn, speaking on At The Races, added: "I thought it was a great ride. I think gambling is a different aspect to it. You pay your money, you take your chance. It’s another grey area of the rules."
In other words – win at all costs.
‘You pay your money, you take your chance’ – what the hell does that mean? And what has gambling got to do with the whip rules – nothing grey about it.
I think we understand the ‘other angles’ only too well Mr Nunn. Keiren Fox will have 15 days to reflect on those.
If I’d been the owner or trainer of "Un" Orthadox Lad, I’d have given the prize money to the second. Exactly like someone here said should happen. Appologies to that poster for not quoting.
Of course you would Saint Ginger! You would have given West Germany the 1966 World Cup because there was a possibility the ball didn’t actually cross the line too! Oh to have a guilty conscience,not at this game you dont!
If I’d been the owner or trainer of "Un" Orthadox Lad, I’d have given the prize money to the second. Exactly like someone here said should happen. Appologies to that poster for not quoting.
Of course you would Saint Ginger! You would have given West Germany the 1966 World Cup because there was a possibility the ball didn’t actually cross the line too! Oh to have a guilty conscience,not at this game you dont!
I know I perform miracles with my betting Gord, but please don’t give this athiest a sainthood.
I do have a conscience at this game Gord, I’d hope everyone does at any game.
I am sure the Russian "steward" thought it crossed the line, that is good enough for me.
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Guilty as charged.
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