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AW races like this are, if anything, a lot EASIER to work out than some of our beloved flat racing and jumps handicaps./quote]
I for one have no doubt of your ability for finding winners Halfway,but to come out with that one! I cant wait to see how you get on!
Halfwaytoheaven wrote: Betting shop punters, if they take the time, can take a price off of the screens which are infront of them as they write out their betting slips.
Oh, joy of joys! Don’t you just love it as you’re queuing to place your bet and the last horse is being loaded and the guy in front decides to ask for a price on an 11/10 shot just so he can make an extra 20 pence with his two pound bet. Then the ever so careful cashier decides she needs to find the right page on her screen so she can be sure the guy’s not pulling a fast one. You hear "they’re off" and see that you’ve now no chance of getting your bet on so you resign yourself to watching your 10/1 shot skate up.
Your only satisfaction thereonin is knowing that the ‘smart ass’ lost, though of course you are left with an overwhelming sense of foreboding that perhaps this is not going to be your lucky day.p.s. Please don’t bother suggesting getting my bets on earlier – it’s not going to happen, believe me.
And Manchester Utd were a force to be reckoned with! I remember those hazy days Ken,you"re taking me back there!
Anthony , its probably 1.91 or 1.92 , but heck dont worry its not going to happen any time soon , can you see Barry shouting to the punters in Newmarket 2.5 the field , or even 2.04 the field , not in your wildest dreams will this ever happen
Ken stay away from those bookies , thay are just for roulette players who hate having money in their pockets
cheers
Ricky
Halfwaytoheaven wrote: Betting shop punters, if they take the time, can take a price off of the screens which are infront of them as they write out their betting slips.
Oh, joy of joys! Don’t you just love it as you’re queuing to place your bet and the last horse is being loaded and the guy in front decides to ask for a price on an 11/10 shot just so he can make an extra 20 pence with his two pound bet. Then the ever so careful cashier decides she needs to find the right page on her screen so she can be sure the guy’s not pulling a fast one. You hear "they’re off" and see that you’ve now no chance of getting your bet on so you resign yourself to watching your 10/1 shot skate up.
Your only satisfaction thereonin is knowing that the ‘smart ass’ lost, though of course you are left with an overwhelming sense of foreboding that perhaps this is not going to be your lucky day.p.s. Please don’t bother suggesting getting my bets on earlier – it’s not going to happen, believe me.
Place your bets at home
?Fair play Ken, if that’s going on so often then surely these are one of the real areas bookmakers and Racing For Change need to address?
If new fans end up queuing and can’t get their bets on then this could put them off before their love of the sport has begun.
Personally, I don’t have that problem. I place my bets at GP early.
Thanks guys, but I was just having a bit of literary fun, don’t believe all you read from me. Sometimes I just have a vivid imagination. Cheers anyway.
I sense from your post APK that the last time you entered a betting shop the only comfort you had was the tannoy ("telephonic interruption to Beverley"), the screech of chalk on blackboard as the results were being written up, the odd glimpse of getting a sly look at a race on the television hidden in a room behind the counter, the long wait for a payout if you just happened to have done anything harder than a single bet, breaking the tip off your pencil etc. etc.
Hazy, crazy days of Summer – life was so less complicated. Forgive me I’m feeling nostalgic and yearning for the good old days when men were men and jockeys were honest. (TIC)
KenKen, here"s a nostalgic story for you regarding the high st bookie and the relationship you had with the staff!Back in the 80"s all we had was a Ladbrokes in Ripley,our nearest other bookies was also a Ladbrokes some 3 miles away in Belper,i was a regular in Ripley and got on with the staff superbly,unfortunately the staff in Belper hated me! in my mind it was because i was a cocky teenager who new his stuff! Anyway i placed a bet in Belper one day it was 2 singles and a double on 2 horses from my favourite stable at the time John Mackie,i think they were called Cap d"zur and Wigtown Bay they were both 10/1 and both won,whoever wrote the board that day left the result on all day until i came in to check how they had done!As i looked up to the board and saw both my horses had won, i was chuffed to bits and went to collect my £1300,only to be told Cap d"zur had been disqualified!and that they had forgot to update the board!The manager took great pleasure in telling me this and duly updated the board even though racing had finished!I was gutted and no doubt the manager could see this as i walked out with £110! 2yrs later this manager had moved on to another Ladbrokes shop in Heanor,he had joined the local Martial arts group and was a regular pupil,willing and dedicated and had passed his first 3 gradings with distinction!The instructor of the club also taught at a small village called Holbrook,i was his pupil there,in my 5th year and doing my black belt training,i was asked to attend the Heanor club to spar against 2 of the better pupils,whom i would not know,my insructor kindly picked Mr Ladbrokes and some other guy,as i bowed before them,i allowed myself to maintain eye contact with this guy,his face drained,it literally went white when the penny dropped! After 10 mins of sparring with these 2,i decided to even the score and broke his ribs!That wasn"t the last time i saw him either!
I used to think these sort of people thought it was their money they were handing out!Anthony , its probably 1.91 or 1.92 , but heck dont worry its not going to happen any time soon , can you see Barry shouting to the punters in Newmarket 2.5 the field , or even 2.04 the field , not in your wildest dreams will this ever happen
Ken stay away from those bookies , thay are just for roulette players who hate having money in their pockets
cheers
Ricky
Thanks for the explaination. I’m none the wiser but no to worry!
The real problem as I suspected, confirmed by an email sent in by Dave Nevison to RUK today is that the course bookies are forced to "play the game" and shorten horses once the off course firms back it even if they (on course bookies) can back it bigger on the machine. If they don’t, they won’t be used by the big firms again and since theirs is the only substantial money in the ring at these meetings, they can’t afford to do that. that’s what Barry Dennis won’t tell you.
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So not only are you the most gifted punter on the planet, TAPK, you’re also a petulent Bruce Lee? It seems to me that if (and it’s a big if, given that you’re telling the story) you see fit to break someone’s ribs because you backed a horse that was disqualified, and then recall the encounter with some sort of bizarre, self-congratulatory pride, there’s only one person with a problem.
Willie Mullins had better watch out if Mikael D’Haguenet doesn’t run at Cheltenham.
It’s one thing the favourite(s) shortening just before the off due to the big firms laying off some of their liabilities, however, if the SP on the favourite shortens then some of the other horses SP’s should be pushed out.
In the 2.55pm & 3.55pm at Kempton today the overound on the SP’s was over 3% per runner which must surely be way too much in a 7 runner race?
This seems to be happening far too often at Kempton on the AW.
That’s what I wondered – aren’t some of these prices (usually the 1st 2 in the market when I watch the screens in the bookies) being artificially shortened for greater profit – lesser liabilities?
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Thanks for replying TAPK. Just imagine, if your horse had not been disqualified and you’d collected an extra £1100, how different your life might have worked out. It might have led you on the road to ruin and financial disaster. Instead, since that traumatic day in the bookies you’ve not looked back and here you are now – one of the most successful guys on this forum. There’s a moral in this for all of us: When the day is over and your luck is out, if you put on a happy face it’ll cost you nowt.
As for Kempton SP’s and the bit about the majors not using on-course bookies who refuse to play the game. Whatever happened to that bookie at Royal Ascot who held up the price on Frankie’s seventh mount. Was he subsequently pushed out of the loop?
The few times I’ve taken any notice of Kempton prices I have noticed some significant differences between the final show price and the actual SP.
KI don’t hear Racing UK these days, so I don’t know what DN said, but I’m very much of the same thought as Carvills on this.
I think sometimes this goes beyond money to shorten horses though. This is just my opinion, but I think it’s a sort of symbiotic relationship. The on-course bookies shorten horses, because they know that’s what the off-course bookmakers want them to do. I’m sure there may be a bit of money to start the ball rolling, or a signal as to what’s required, but imo it’s no co-incidence that most on-course books will follow each other quite quickly, money or not.
Their reward, as suggested, maybe be that those playing along will be kept in the loop & used next time. Or maybe the reward/gratitude is shown in other ways.
I’m happy to be told I’m completely wrong !
It’s one thing the favourite(s) shortening just before the off due to the big firms laying off some of their liabilities, however, if the SP on the favourite shortens then some of the other horses SP’s should be pushed out.
This isn’t necessarily the case as SP is the SP and any prices beforehand are Show Prices – The mechanism for returning both is not the same.
AC, the answer to your question is simply 10/11 will disappear forever. At present Basic Factors are calculated to 3 places – 10/11 = 1.909
Ken, here"s a nostalgic story for you regarding the high st bookie and the relationship you had with the staff!Back in the 80"s all we had was a Ladbrokes in Ripley,our nearest other bookies was also a Ladbrokes some 3 miles away in Belper,i was a regular in Ripley and got on with the staff superbly,unfortunately the staff in Belper hated me! in my mind it was because i was a cocky teenager who new his stuff! Anyway i placed a bet in Belper one day it was 2 singles and a double on 2 horses from my favourite stable at the time John Mackie,i think they were called Cap d"zur and Wigtown Bay they were both 10/1 and both won,whoever wrote the board that day left the result on all day until i came in to check how they had done!As i looked up to the board and saw both my horses had won, i was chuffed to bits and went to collect my £1300,only to be told Cap d"zur had been disqualified!and that they had forgot to update the board!The manager took great pleasure in telling me this and duly updated the board even though racing had finished!I was gutted and no doubt the manager could see this as i walked out with £110! 2yrs later this manager had moved on to another Ladbrokes shop in Heanor,he had joined the local Martial arts group and was a regular pupil,willing and dedicated and had passed his first 3 gradings with distinction!The instructor of the club also taught at a small village called Holbrook,i was his pupil there,in my 5th year and doing my black belt training,i was asked to attend the Heanor club to spar against 2 of the better pupils,whom i would not know,my insructor kindly picked Mr Ladbrokes and some other guy,as i bowed before them,i allowed myself to maintain eye contact with this guy,his face drained,it literally went white when the penny dropped! After 10 mins of sparring with these 2,i decided to even the score and broke his ribs!That wasn"t the last time i saw him either!
I used to think these sort of people thought it was their money they were handing out!What?
Why was it so bad for the manager to change the board? You saw that board and thought you had won; so another punter could see the board and think he’d won. It was quite right of him to change the board.
Could it be that this manager knew you were a "cocky teenager" and thought (apparently wrongly) you’d be able to take a bit of cockieness back?
Don’t you have to make an undertaking in martial arts to only use it in self defence? Yet you "DECIDED to get even and broke his ribbs".
No doubt this was a fit teenager verses an older man.
So for forgetting to do something (possibly someone else forgot and not the manager), and being cocky to you (the same as you describe yourself as), he recieves a beating and broken ribbs. And yet you are so proud of your actions and apparently believe this puts you in a good light?
Unbelievable.
Value Is EverythingSo not only are you the most gifted punter on the planet, TAPK, you’re also a petulent Bruce Lee? It seems to me that if (and it’s a big if, given that you’re telling the story) you see fit to break someone’s ribs because you backed a horse that was disqualified, and then recall the encounter with some sort of bizarre, self-congratulatory pride, there’s only one person with a problem.
Willie Mullins had better watch out if Mikael D’Haguenet doesn’t run at Cheltenham.
Media,i dealt with your accusation on the "Three Cheers for Southwell" thread that "i cant make it pay" on the All weather,like only i can,No threat of violence, just a quietner in your ear! As for the above post,if anyone wants to run on ice.Expect to slip over and get hurt!the guy knew what was coming!Since that day i have seen him many times since,both at training and in the Bookmakers,he eventually joined our club and after training we would go for a drink together!I also broke his little toe once,but i have also sustained broken ribs,hand and toes,its character building Media and yes i do recall these encounters with "Some sort of bizarre self-congratulatory pride" its not a problem though!
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