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I agree that Burnham would be a more appealing leader than Starmer. He would have more chance of winning back Labour’s former heartlands. Starmer has none at all. And if he loses the Batley and Spen by-election, he may not lead Labour into the next General Election.
I cant warm to Burnham. Too scheming and me me me
Yvette Cooper should be the choice but won’t happen i suspect. I believe kier should be given time but in reality he’s got to drive out the hard left to stand any chance of winning an election. The reason for that is that the hard left dont want to win an election and never have.
Theres a good definition of Woke
I have listened to R4 today for all my adult life but this last year is the first time ive simply switched it off. Every bloody day was a feature about “slavery” and endless BLM drivel. Its also about the oscars no longer being about merit but “diversity” (and viewing figures falling off a cliff…rightly)
Its far from those right of centre that are bored rigid by overgrown students in the media screaming “WACIST” at every turn
its also causing many to mutter about how other communities seem too be prospering rather well in the uk
There is certainly racism in areas of life and one of my best clients was an African owned business and seen it subjectively from their clients but its fading and the uk is far more open than the vast majority of countries. Especially those in the EU (see barniers comments and macron’s party’s ludicrous headscarf dispute today) but endless lectures about slavery and statues is alienating many who are insitnctively sympathetic
And isn’t Kew Gardens now analysing which plants were slave owners or something?
Woke is being stuck in a lift with a deeply humourless sanctimonious rather dim fanatic
The problem is double XX I am stuck with Radio 4 and have to endure Woke dogma repeatedly, as there are no instructions that came with the car. I use the tube more often now as it is safer, but the noise levels are shocking and public announcements are set to level DEAF. I often plug my ears with my fingers.
I have tried to adopt the Davies philosophy of no debt, few entanglements in life, and be happy – but have failed more than miserably. Keir is in the same position as me – he’s a trier but he cannot change. I have also tried Wit’s advice of trying to live more in the present, but again my brain is hardwired to failures set in the past. A pint of Guinness with Ken West Derby a past poster who came up with unlikely solutions is my last hope but he’s been banished and probably living in South America with a few souls who believe he’s the saviour.
Big problem with me is my hands are much bigger than my brain. I shared a park bench yesterday with a lady community officer. She told me a story about a UFO she encountered while driving on a forest road in Yugoslavia with her sister. She snaked herself out of the passenger window to get a look at it flying about 100 metres above them. I told her about the cigar shaped UFO I saw sighted over London. Late 50’s and 300 others saw it and in the Daily Mail the next day. I also recounted the goat story which is a strict family secret.
Possibly if Keir could come up with some anecdotes that defined his personality and took him out of his jelly set as an ethical, caring do gooder – that might help him.
Socialism is like sex.
Sounds like a great idea but usually ends up being very messy and you can end up paying the cost of it for many years.
She might not be an MP after the next election. Rather like Hartlepool, she was fortunate that the Conservatives and Brexit Party split their vote. Ed Miliband in Doncaster was similarly fortunate.
Speaking as a lifelong Conservative, Mrs Balls is the one of the few Labour MP’s I would fear as Leader, she is eminently electable.
Hilary Benn is another who would probably be popular with the public.
From my perspective Corbyn was the perfect leader, totally unelectable.
I was worried when Starmer became leader but he has, fortunately, spectacularly failed to reach his potential, so he can happily remain leader for me.
If he has to go then may I suggest Anneliese Dodds as the next leader after her mesmerising performance as Shadow Chancellor?
“And isn’t Kew Gardens now analysing which plants were slave owners or something?”
There is all sorts of nonsense like that going on. There was a student hall of residence in my neighbourhood named after William Gladstone. This has now been renamed because a group of students complained because Gladstone’s father profited from slave labour. That is enough to get you cancelled in modern Britain. One of greatest Prime Ministers must not be mentioned because of the sins of the father.
The National Trust is doing some sort of slavery audit of all its properties. And Sheffield University has started warning students about how Isaac Newton had shares in a slave owning company and how Charles Darwin’s theories have been used to justify white supremacy.
There are a myriad of other examples. It makes you wonder what will actually placate and satisfy these woke warriors. Don’t they just like being outraged and stoking up a continual sense of grievance? As soon as one building is renamed or statue toppled, you can guarantee they will find something else to protest about.
The vast majority of people, left, right and centre couldn’t give a f*** about a few statues or what a block of student flats is called. Those on both extremes work themselves up into a lather about what the other side is doing. One side gets a reaction so the other carries on.
Nobody sees a statue of a slave owner’s dog and suddenly thinks it’s a good idea to head off to Africa to buy some and ‘cancel culture’ is a load of made up bollocks like woke.
You are not getting it
The fact that so many within Labour DO get worked up about it and to them its a priority is why voters don’t want to know
Labour isn’t seen as being about jobs and economy. Its about Gladstone and Slaves
And its quite normal for those opposing the Woke abuse to stand firm. how would the left react to Mandelas statue being defaced?
“cancel culture’ is a load of made up bollocks like woke.”
Oh, is it? How do you explain no platforming then? With people literally not being allowed to speak at universities, for example.
The perception many voters have is the modern Labour Party is far happier talking about identity politics than it is about issues that affect the overwhelming majority.
I suppose it depends what sort of Labour Party you want. If you are content for it to be a protest movement that spends more time talking to itself than voters, continue down this path. If you want it to be a responsible Party of government, it is going to have to change.
I’ve never voted Labour in my life. Sure, I’d rather see them in power than this incompetent, corrupt shower we have at the moment but we need more than what is effectively a binary choice between two terrible options. Currently it’s like being asked if you’d rather contract chlamydia or syphilis.
Universities have every right to stop people speaking there if they want to but it doesn’t happen very much:
Reminder: latest OfS figures for the university sector in England show that of 59,574 events organised with an external speaker, 53 were not approved. Yes, that’s 0.09% of events.
Anyone is free to publish their views, hire a venue to speak at or shout them in the street if they want to, nobody is being silenced.
Well, we agree about something Richard. I have no time for Johnson and his government either. Especially after they have done to the country, the economy and our schools this last year. But Labour are the only credible opposition under first past the post. I would rather see them get their act together than continuing down the destructive path they are on now. One party states with no strong opposition are no good for anyone.
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