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<br>Godolphin’s Kazzia has won the Oaks. She’s a very gutsy filly and remarkably was given the chance to lead and this was an advantage.
There was a huge gap to the third and…14l’s i heard on BBC. FOURTEEN LENGTHS! Someone tell me if this is right please!! That ground must be seriously soft with that kind of gap.
Loads of credit to Kazzia but i must mention Quarter Moon. To come from way off the pace on that ground (something every other horse found hard to do) was tremendous. This is not going to be an easy race to rate for handicappers and if the gap really was that big…was it the ground or are the front two stunningly good? What did you all think?
Bit of both I think. Not all of the field gave their best running because of the ground but both Kazzia and Quarter Moon looked to be very good fillies who we should be hearing a lot more off. According to Willie Carson Kazzia’s being aimed long term at the St Leger.
14 Length beetween the Second and the Third….. why not. Maybe they are outstanding Fillies over this distance and the rest is just "normal" Oaks Quality.
I think Kazzia will have no problem with the St. Leger Trip….. it looks a great idea to me. :pimp:
1 Kazzia <br> <br>made all, clear with runner-up over 2f out, hard ridden over 1f out, held on well near finish<br> <br>2 Quarter Moon <br> <br>held up rear, progress and 4th straight, chased winner well over 2f out, hard ridden to challenge 1f out, kept on well, always just held
3 Shadow Dancing <br> <br>midfield, pushed along halfway, 6th straight, stayed on under pressure to take remote 3rd last strides<br> <br>4 Starbourne <br> <br>chased winner after 3f to over 6f out, 3rd and ridden straight, kept on to chase clear leading pair over 1f out, edged left and lost 3rd near finish<br> <br>5 Red Rioja <br> <br>towards rear, 9th and ridden straight, stayed on one pace under pressure from over 2f out, hampered near finish<br>
Total farce of a meeting from beginning to end – basically the first horse who grabs the stands rail coming off Tattenham corner wins. It is obvious that even racing only two or three horse widths off the rail is a big disadvantage.<br>It also appears that the situation is going to be even worse tomorrow, as a fresh strip of ground about 6 yards wide is going to be opened up on the stands rail.<br>Yet again races at a Classic meeting are decided by track bias, an extremely unsatisfactory situation.
<br>(Edited by Happy Jack at 5:57 pm on June 7, 2002)<br>
(Edited by Happy Jack at 5:59 pm on June 7, 2002)
I agree with Jane & Happy Jack, bad ground spoils flat racing, I thought Kazzia was very good but would love to see Gossamer take her on! :biggrin:
:clap: Esc :clap: what I should have said is NOW! we all know connections of Gossamer blamed the pace of the race at Newmarket, and we saw a different filly in Ireland when there was a decent pace!……. IMO Gossamer would beat Kazzia with a pacemaker in the race!
Gossamer and Kazzia are very unlikely ever to race each other again as Gossamer will probably stay at a mile while kazzia will take in another 1m 4f race before stepping up to 1m 6f in the Leger.
Todays performances from both Kazzia and Quarter Moon were brilliant though. Kazzia looks a much more straight forward ride however than Quarter Moon and therefor Kinane deserves credit for getting as close as he did to the winner. If Quarter Moon would settle better in her races then I think she’s the better horse out of the two. These two are clearly the best fillys we have over this distance as the 14l margin back to the third tells us. Islington was dissapointing but i never fancied her anyway. I thought Mellow Park was being hyped up a bit because of the winning margin she produced when beating the non-staying Kootenay and wasn’t suprised that she didn’t figure in the finish. Mellow Park was also a little inexperienced for the race having only two runs and I think she’ll be able to improve under less testing conditions at around 1m2f. One horse I was expecting a good run though from was Esloob but she appeared not to handle the conditions at all well. She’ll be a different horse on better ground and will finish a lot closer to the principals if they meet again. This leaves us in anticipation then of wheter Kazzia can complete the fillys triple crown, she’s got all the right qualities and appears to have ever chance but it just depends on what opposition take her on. High Chapperal could be a possible as he’d have every chance of staying the trip. There’s quite a while to the Leger anyway though and no doubt by the time we reach it there be loads of worthy contenders to tackle the mighty Kazzia. Well Done to all that backed her today by the way. Backed into favouratism…… I had Quarter Moon unfortunately :biggrin:
Hi Ron , What is your opinion on certain trainners who dominate certain races over the years , for example today Coronation Cup and Oaks races the ten year trend makes intresting reading regards prolific winners from the same stables do you class these on a par with GODOLPHIN and COOLMORE . The fact that these trainners won races for more individual owners over the years make it less or more predictable then the present
I just hope that the Derby doesn’t produce another Teenoso. Wins the Derby, and doesn’t win anything else after. It spoils the glamour of the race if it is won by a mudlark. It’s nice to see the Derby winner go on and take some class races on good ground during the summer. But there again, I really think that the race doesn’t attract the same class of horse it used to. Benny The Dip for example. What the hell happenned to that one?
How can you say that the Oaks wasn’t a good race? All the leading 3-y-o fillies in training were in opposition and the first two produced high-quality performances in pulling so far clear.
Kazzia was knocked, myself included, after the Guineas but she is still unbeaten, has won G1’s over 1m and 1 1/2m and on very different ground. What more is she supposed to do?
As for slagging Boreal’s German Derby win that is just what we need – the one-eyed opinion that German racing is crap means that their horses always start at better odds than they should. The likes of Caitano, Silvano, Proudwings and now Boreal are testimony to the quality of German racing and to rubbish it is folly. If the German Derby is such a soft G1, why don’t a few of our leading trainers try and win it?
And presumably this is the same G2 class Storming Home who was beaten as far by Boreal as the true G1 pair of Galileo and Fantastic Light is it? Or who ran the great Milan to 1 1/2 lengths giving him 3lbs?
(Edited by Smithy at 7:50 pm on June 8, 2002)
Boreal came out of that race and has proved himself in G1 company since – firstly in Dubai and then at Epsom. And there will be more Group 1’s to follow in the coming months as well.
How do you define what is a good and a bad Group 1 event? If there is no Sakhee or leading Coolmore runner does that make it a bad race? It’s all very subjective and maybe the Coronation Cup wasn’t as strong a race as it could have been, but five of the field had proven themselves at at least Group 2 level and are surely then worthy of a crack at the top grade. Rebelline beat Group 1 horses in Ireland, but I wouldn’t fancy her in a match with Boreal, albeit one we are unlikely to see.
Racing Daily,
so…"I just hope that the Derby doesn’t produce another Teenoso. Wins the Derby, and doesn’t win anything else after ".
You don’t think that races like the King George & QE Diamond stakes, or the Grand Prix de St Cloud count as races then?
Hello Escorial, I am sorry but I have to correct you in a couple of statements you have done about the German Derby.
You said the Geraman Derby produced noting at all and I can not agree to that. The main mistake you have done when checking the Derby Form was that you relied on the From provided by the Racing Post in the Internet. But this is a mistake as the Racingpost does not use Listed Races or German Maiden Races and you missed through many forms. There was for example that now horse a Maiden Horse in the Derby and a horse like Lierac had more than one run before the Derby.
And as well last years Derby was a “strangeâ€ÂÂ
And now to the form of Boreal, after wining the Deutsche Derby he raced in Credit Suisse Private Banking Pokal (Group 1) in Cologne and became second behind Sabiango (Derby Favorite and withdrawn on Derby day). After that race he showed his best form 2001 in the Grosser Preis von Baden (Group 1) in Baden-Baden where he was beaten little more than one length by Morshdi, but this time he was in front of Sabiango. His last race of the season was in the Preis von Europa (Group 1) in Cologne where he started Favorite, but he slipped and fall.
This year he raced twice…….. 3rd in the Dubai Sheema Classic (Group 1) in Dubai and like we all know winner of the Coronation Cup in Epson.
I think a horse that won the Deutsche Derby (Group I) and the Coronation Cup (Group I) and what placed in three other Group I races must be called a Group I horse. Not every horse can win the King George and the Arc.
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Just got back from it all and I think KAZZIA’S win was brilliant of course!:biggrin:
Got plenty of snaps of her in the winner’s enclosure and Frankie jumping off too.
Basically the bad ground didn’t help and on fast ground things could have been very different but Kazzia is game and tough and deserved her second Classic.
Good luck to her in the St Leger!
Escorial,
Many thanks for your kind words regarding my wealth – duly noted. As Dubai Millenium kindly points out, you are taking your German form from an inaccurate source but this is of little consequence. The fact is that your statement regarding Nayef and Storming Home implies that both are below the top level. Whilst this may well be the case, they also tie in with the form of Tobougg who was, I believe, third in the Derby to Galileo (presumably a Group 1 horse) and Golan (a Guineas winner). Now, if the Champion Stakes was worthy of just Group 3 status then the Derby, in which Tobougg was beaten 3 lengths is presumably not a strong renewal either. However, Galileo is hailed as a wonder horse and his defeat of Fantastic Light (again, presumably a Group 1 performer) ensures that the aforementioned Derby form doesn’t look too bad.
Taking your comments on board, it appears that Sakhee is just about the only Group 1 horse in training (although presumably High Chaparral and Hawk Wing can be added to that list despite the fact that they only beat Group 3 horses at best).
As for all the best horses being at the Breeders Cup, do I take it from this that Milan, winner of the meaningless St Leger, is of Group 1 calibre?
And finally, with regard to my following of Boreal and the financial haemorraging that may ensue, lest we forget it was your good self who was advocating the chances of the decent handicapper Atavus in the Group 1 Lockinge Stakes only a few weeks back. I put it to you Sir, that if you follow a horse such as Atavus in exalted company it will in fact be your good self who is the poor man.
Quote: from Venusian on 9:54 am on June 9, 2002[br]Racing Daily,
so…"I just hope that the Derby doesn’t produce another Teenoso.  Wins the Derby, and doesn’t win anything else after ".
You don’t think that races like the King George & QE Diamond stakes,  or the Grand Prix de St Cloud count as races then?<br>
June 1983 – Teenoso wins Derby<br>Sept 1984 – Teenoso wins King George
It’s a good job that Mr Wragg’s horses generally win more often than every 15 months. He would go out of business if not.
I was using Teenoso as a loose example of races on soft or worse being freak results and not showing the true form of the race. My racing knowledge doesn’t go all the way back to 1984, but if I remember rightly the ground was soft for his King George win, and that was the first opportunity he got to win a good race with the horse. That was my point. Did he win anything of value on good to soft or better? If my memory serves me right he didn’t (but don’t quote me on it :) )
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