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- December 4, 2007 at 12:49 #128734
I’m sure that the owner was annoyed that Ruby remounted him; just seem to remember a bit of a furore about it at the time….it just stuck in my mind because Fulke Walwyn was always adamant that jockeys didn’t remount if a horse fell [showing my age there, arn’t I !!].
December 5, 2007 at 06:34 #128870I heard or at least read the same thing…..if he hadn’t been injured and won Ruby maybe would have been a hero in the eyes of the owner….there’s nothing funnier than folks…….but you are correct you really shouldn’t be jumpimg straight back on….usually a Jockeys first reaction is to try and grab the horse so he doesn’t do any adddional harm to himslef…..Fulke Walwyn isn’t the first trainer to say that nor the last…..Ruby broke the unwritten rule and the owner was right to be annoyed but wonder what the owner would say if it was the gold cup and he never got back on…….the mind boggles
December 5, 2007 at 09:22 #128877Monets Garden is out to 25/1 on Betfair. I haven’t seen anything in the press to suggest that he’s not an intended runner…can anyone tell me if I have missed something ?
This seems like a huge price to me (unless I am reading the race totally incorrectly).
December 5, 2007 at 10:27 #128885Can’t see any evidence of 25 from here. His price history suggests he’s been traded at no higher than 7. It’s Twist Magic who looks the most shaky runner, out to around 9.4. I’m surprised that hasn’t triggered a plunge on KS.
December 5, 2007 at 10:30 #128887Still ‘highly unlikely’.
December 5, 2007 at 10:47 #128890Sorry folks… not sure what I was looking at there but it wasn’t the Tingle Creek market clearly.
December 6, 2007 at 13:49 #129136It’s hard to see much of an angle in this race IMO
Voy Por Ustedes 11/8 has the best 2m form on offer and the likely Gd/Sft going won’t be against him either.
Monets Garden 3/1 looks the most likely to chase him home or capitalise on any mistakes by VPU but I don’t think he has the necessary speed to win a 2m Gr1 race anymore
You would have to have doubts about Twist Magic 4/1 being able to handle the going given that Paul Nicholls was considering pulling him out and leaving Kauto Star in.
Ashley Brook 6/1 would be interesting but 2 falls in a row would temper enthusiasm for him.
Of the other 4, Oneway 50/1 may be the each-way option (assuming all 8 run) having run well here in the past, incl FTO in this race last year but you couldn’t be sure which Oneway will actually turn up.
Demi Beau 100/1 is another who could run well on his best form but he is terribly out of form lately so couldn’t have him either.
Hoo La Baloo 20/1 won a relatively valuable race over 17f LTO on Gd ground but it’s hard to know whether or not he needs a trip. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him run well but he won’t carry my money.
River City 66/1 doesn’t have the necessary ability to win a race of this calibre
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I would chance a 1/2pt win bet on Monets Garden with possibly the other 1/2 being spent on a straight forecast of VPU to beat MG. This can pay surprisingly good dividends when compared to each-way options. The Exacta of KS to beat ED in the Betfair Chase paid 6.00 as opposed to 1.60 the place on ED using the SPs.December 6, 2007 at 19:12 #129173I wouldn’t have 20 pence on anything too many if’s and buts. Best left alone IMO escpecially if Twist Magic doesn’t run as the Fav may be too short
December 7, 2007 at 10:35 #129260Monet’s Garden will be hard to peg back, but is more suited by another extra half mile, whereas Voy Por Ustedes is a specialist two miler with the requisite speed and jumping ability to win this event.
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December 7, 2007 at 11:45 #129271Don’t think there’s too much value about VPU at 5/4, I’ll be taking Monet’s Garden as I think his high cruising speed will suit the return to 2m, a distance at which his only defeat came in the Arkle when giving VPU 5lbs.
December 7, 2007 at 12:02 #129275Where is the evidence that Twist Magic doesn’t handle it soft? He won in very soft round Auteil and Nicholls said he schooled very well during the week on soft.
He looks incredibly generous at over 5/1 to me, as I believe he has by far the most potential of this field. VPU is very overrated imo, only won the arkle due to an unfair weight for age advantage (now abolished) and in the QM, beat Dempsey by a length and a half, and River City by a further 5. And this on a course which would not have played toi Dempsey’s strengths.
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