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We’ll be close!
How close we’ll go will depend on how well each of SE, Harchibald, Osana and Sublimity run and I don’t believe that they’ll all run to their best which I think they need to do
How close we’ll go will depend on how well each of SE, Harchibald, Osana and Sublimity run and I don’t believe that they’ll all run to their best which I think they need to do
Don’t know what makes you think those horses won’t run to their best. Also why are you not including last years CH third Afsoun in the list or the other horse that finished ahead of Katchit at Newcastle
Katchit has ALL these horses and possibly a couple more to beat
How close we’ll go will depend on how well each of SE, Harchibald, Osana and Sublimity run and I don’t believe that they’ll all run to their best which I think they need to do
Don’t know what makes you think those horses won’t run to their best. Also why are you not including last years CH third Afsoun in the list or the other horse that finished ahead of Katchit at Newcastle
Katchit has ALL these horses and possibly a couple more to beat
You must be forgetting the Boylesports then are you Charlie, when Katchit easily and comprehensively had the likes of Sublimity, Afsoun and Straw Bear well behind. Out of that trio, I can only see Sublimity getting closer.
So I’ll turn the question around and ask you Charlie – why should Katchit fear anything from the likes of Asoun and Straw Bear? Surely the only horses he needs to worry about are the ones ahead of him in the market. I know that’s three or four good horses, but Katchit certainly shouldn’t be worried about anything else.
Mike
You must be forgetting the Boylesports then are you Charlie, when Katchit easily and comprehensively had the likes of Sublimity, Afsoun and Straw Bear well behind.
No offense, but I suggest you think a bit more about this race
How close we’ll go will depend on how well each of SE, Harchibald, Osana and Sublimity run and I don’t believe that they’ll all run to their best which I think they need to do
Don’t know what makes you think those horses won’t run to their best. Also why are you not including last years CH third Afsoun in the list or the other horse that finished ahead of Katchit at Newcastle
Katchit has ALL these horses and possibly a couple more to beat
the other horse that you refer to was Al Eile who you’re right about us fearing – however won’t be running in the Champion but will instead be going to Aintree
they won’t all run to their best because they don’t always run to their best – I don’t think Harchibald could be regarded as consistent despite brilliance when on form; Sublimity is fragile and has only shown top class capability once.
Both Osana and Sizing Europe have proven that they have top class ability, but like Sublimity have to prove repeatability – ORs for the two are 148 and 143 respectively and in terms of RPR only the last run for either of these two puts them anywhere near CH quality (albeit that last run has them miles ahead of us). I’m not saying that we’re better so please don’t use that argument against me – my point is that there are plenty of horses (including us) that have got to run their race to be in the frame and we are consistently competitiveI think FoF was referring to the Kingwell
Correct David I was……AP was right. However Az was an exceptional horse as we now know.
However the horses form doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. He was in a sense very lucky to beat Art Proffesor who hit a flat spot at Lingfield. AP looked a lot stronger than him at the finish and would have won easily in a few more strides.
The both went to Cheltenham to take on Franchoek the fav for the Triumph hurdle.
AP starts at 12/1 LS at 20/1. Probably because most judges watching the Lingfield race thought the same.
LS is pulled up for some reson but AP runs a half decent race and is beaten 23 1/2 lengths by Franchoek who as of yet is nothing more than a strong fav and fancy to win the Triumph.
Tomorrow he faces a horse who actually won the Triumph and anhialated everything before him.
I suppose much depend on how good is Franchoek in comparison to Katchit at his best………would he be 20 lengths better than Katchit was last year?
I think this years front 2 could be exceptional horses but Katchit is a year older and hopefully is nearing peak fitness……..I can’t even begin to imagine this horse getting within striking distance of Katchit even if he hasn’t improved……we’ll see tomorrow…….
they won’t all run to their best because they don’t always run to their best
No they don’t, but to think they won’t run near their best in a race they have as their main target is clutching at straws imo
Much depend on how Good is Franchoek in comparison to Katchit at his best………would he be 20 lengths better than Katchit?
I think this years front 2 could be exceptional horses but Katchit is a year older and hopefully is nearing peak fitness……..I can’t even begin to imagine this horse getting within striking distance of Katchit……we’ll see tomorrow…….
of course they’re both from the same stable and all we can get Alan to do answer the question by saying they’re very different – Katchit is quicker but Franchoek is an out and out stayer
Of course Katchit is the top 2m hurdler in the yard but when Franchoek is a year older it might be different – Lemon Silk would have to find improvement that would make him a sure thing for the Triumph to beat Katchit right now.
Let’s hope I don’t live to regret that last point
You must be forgetting the Boylesports then are you Charlie, when Katchit easily and comprehensively had the likes of Sublimity, Afsoun and Straw Bear well behind.
No offense, but I suggest you think a bit more about this race
I’ve thought more about it Charlie, and yep, Katchit still easily and comprehensively beat Afsoun – and Straw Bear (who I believe was your selection for the CH – am I right?)
We obviously have a difference of an opinion Charlie – which is good, if we all thought the same this game would be quite boring wouldn’t it. You’ve been wrong about Katchit before, and hopefully you will be again.
Mike
Are you sure Franchoek will run in the Triumph? I’m not………The Sun Alliance is cutting up badly and if Binocular shows he has improved from his first run I think AP could order the switch and try and take both races…..Incidentally I also think Binocular is the more likely to be a star in future 2 mile hurdle races than Franchoek. I could see him becoming a World Hurdle horse or very good chaser in the future.
Sorry to get off the subject
Are you sure Franchoek will run in the Triumph? I’m not………The Sun Alliance is cutting up badly and if Binocular shows he has improved from his first run I think AP could order the switch and try and take both races…..Incidentally I also think Binocular is the more likely to be a star in future 2 mile hurdle races than Franchoek. I could see him becoming a World Hurdle horse or very good chaser in the future.
Sorry to get off the subject
There are lots of rumours about the Triumph not being the target but Alan King still maintains that’s where he’s going (until instructed otherwise)
I think that both Binocular and Group Captain look like the most exciting two milers to emerge this season – Celestial Halo could be good too
I’ve thought more about it Charlie, and yep, Katchit still easily and comprehensively beat Afsoun – and Straw Bear (who I believe was your selection for the CH – am I right?)
Mike
Ok Mikky and no your not right – I think i stated Afsoun is a good horse and has the ability of placing in CH when he don’t throw it away before race . Just like he showed in last years CH, just like he showed in Contenders Hurdle, just like he showed in Ascot Hurdle, just like he showed in Fighting Fifth
they won’t all run to their best because they don’t always run to their best
No they don’t, but to think they won’t run near their best in a race they have as their main target is clutching at straws imo
clutching at Straws like Straw Bear or Detroit City last year?
I’ve thought more about it Charlie, and yep, Katchit still easily and comprehensively beat Afsoun – and Straw Bear (who I believe was your selection for the CH – am I right?)
Mike
Ok Mikky and no your not right – I think i stated Afsoun is a good horse and has the ability of placing in CH when he don’t throw it away before race . Just like he showed in last years CH, just like he showed in Contenders Hurdle, just like he showed in Ascot Hurdle, just like he showed in Fighting Fifth
Er – Afsoun didn’t run in the fighting fifth and never has…
However the horses form doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. He was in a sense very lucky to beat Art Proffesor who hit a flat spot at Lingfield. AP looked a lot stronger than him at the finish and would have won easily in a few more strides.
Can’t agree with that at all. Lemon Silk will never win any of his races by a wide margin since he tends to idle once he goes 2-3 lengths up thinking he has done enough. Due to the heavy ground at Lingfield we decided to take it up at the 2nd last rather than the last, which was clearly too early. He went 2-3 lengths up on Five Dream and idled. AP almost took advantage of that but was still held. At Cheltenham LS was traveling as well as anything into the straight, but "choked"on the heavy ground. The choking issue has been taken care of and tomorrow he finally gets ground he loves (Sandown being the only time he has encountered it before).
I’m not saying he will beat Katchit tomorrow, but I do believe he will be in the shake up and his price for the Supreme Novices will be considerably shorter by the end of the day.
they won’t all run to their best because they don’t always run to their best
No they don’t, but to think they won’t run near their best in a race they have as their main target is clutching at straws imo
clutching at Straws like Straw Bear or Detroit City last year?
You seem to be saying some horse will not give their running, but Katchit will, what make you think this? when the odds are high that ALL will run near to their best
I’ve thought more about it Charlie, and yep, Katchit still easily and comprehensively beat Afsoun – and Straw Bear (who I believe was your selection for the CH – am I right?)
Mike
Ok Mikky and no your not right – I think i stated Afsoun is a good horse and has the ability of placing in CH when he don’t throw it away before race . Just like he showed in last years CH, just like he showed in Contenders Hurdle, just like he showed in Ascot Hurdle, just like he showed in Fighting Fifth
OK apologies if I got your Straw Bear selection wrong – but I do remember you saying before the Boylesports that you were confident Katchit wouldn’t place and that Afsoun and Straw Bear would finish ahead of him (not sure if you meant the Boylesports or the CH however).
Tomorrow is a massive day for Katchit. If he doesn’t win well tomorrow Charlie I’m with you all the way mate. In fact, if he doesn’t win tomorrow he shouldn’t even go to Cheltenham lol.
I will re-assess my opinion after tomorrows race
Mike
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