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  • #2203
    Kingston Town
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    I have to try and claw back some street cred here……….. after saying Dandy Man would bounce the Aussies on their heads last week – fortunately my friend  who headed off to Ascot on the Tuesday only half listened and backed Miss Andretti anyway :biggrin:

    So as I don’t know a lot (well let’s face it anything) about the English horses heading to the July Cup – I’d really love to have the views of all you knowledgeable people out there…:cool:

    Thank you in advance :cheesy:

    #66424
    aidanldrebin
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    Asset looks a very smart animal and provided it isn’t as soft as it was at Ascot then he would have an outstanding chance. Munaddam is progressing well from Ed Dunlop’s yard though whether he could live with top class sprinters is debatable. Dandy Man was stuck on the stands side at Ascot and can rate a lot better but, he hasn’t run over 6f since his juvenile days. Soldiers Tale is a very talented horse and judging from his win he still retains all of his promise. But, judged on his Haydock run he looks far from top notch and looks as if he needs the rain to slow the others down! Sakhees Secret has always been thought on a par or even better than 2005 winner Pastoral Pursuits by Hughie Morrison and he showed he can handle all conditions and with his allowance would be interesting though has to prove himself at this level against older horses.

    #66425
    Kingston Town
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    :wave: Thank you VERY much ….. I’ll go and have a read of these horse’s form.

    #66426
    clivex
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    Asset was a reasonable contender for the 2000 gunieas last year. Has some class and ground for JC will usually be ok (unlike Saturday)

    Ive backed him

    #66427
    Aragorn
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    He ran a cracker the other day considering the ground went against him. My only concern would be that he was perhaps primed for that race.. If he’s fit and ready again and the ground is anything better than good he’s got a great chance.

    #66428
    aidanldrebin
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    How good is Sakhee’s Secret? I mean Morrison says he is better than Pastoral Pursuits and he did beat Prime Defender at Salisbury by 4 lengths. I think he will be a very smart animal and looks the best chance of a british champion this or next season. Anyone else agree?

    #66429
    guskennedy
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    Yes.

    #66430
    newyork
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    Honoured guest 3rd in the french guineas ,bred to be a sprinter

    #66431
    Mounty
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    I’m very interested in Tax Free for the July Cup and he should be a decent price after only finishing 11th of 20 in the Kings’s Stand. Ideally, he needs a small field but can perform in big fields at Newmarket, as the wide nature of the track allows him plenty of room (the usual July Cup split field will help too). His record in fields of 11 or less, or in any sized field at Newmarket, reads: 11311311 (6-8). The first defeat came in a 5f handicap won by Dandy Man. Tax Free "won" the race on the stands’ side when trying to concede 9lb to the winner.

    #66432
    aidanldrebin
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    I seem to remember Tax Free winning that 6f 3yo handicap a few years ago at the meeting.

    #66433
    apracing
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    <br>Mounty,

    That 5F handicap was actually the Palace House Stakes and the 9lb difference was the weight for age allowance for the 3-y-old Dandy Man.

    AP

    #66434
    Mounty
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    AP, well spotted and thanks for not pointing out that I can’t spell King’s Stand either. :)

    #66435
    Kingston Town
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    This is all very interesting – thank you so much everyone  

    #105714
    Kingston Town
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    I know there was a thread on the old forum but I can’t seem to find it here. If it is here and I am just short sighted :shock: I apologise :lol:

    I found it! Lucky I need all this knowledge :wink:

    Ryan Moore is now riding Gai Waterhouse’s Bentley Biscuit with Jimmy Fortune sticking to Baltic King – is that just protocol or does he think BK has a better chance than BB?

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    FlatSeasonLoverFlatSeasonLover
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    Soruce: Racing Post Website
    http://www.racingpost.co.uk/news/master … _id=907816

    "JIMMY FORTUNE, who was due to partner Bentley Biscuit in the Darley July Cup, has had to give up the mount to stay loyal to Baltic King enabling Ryan Moore to win the vacant ride on the Australian sprinter.

    Fortune had been set to team up with his new mount on the Newmarket gallops on Saturday but it was Moore who took the reins and he will partner him in another spin on Wednesday when trainer Gai Waterhouse will be back in England.

    Explaining the change of plan, Waterhouse’s assistant Tania Rouse saidon Sunday: “We had to have a change of jockey. Baltic King was entered to run at Newcastle on Saturday but didn’t go and now heads to the July Cup, so Jimmy had to commit to that horse. His manager also does Ryan Moore so now we are putting him up.

    “Ryan got on him on Saturday morning and did a piece of work up the Al Bahathri and everything is set for Ryan to ride him in a gallop on Wednesday morning when the boss is back from Italy and then they will have a chat about the July Cup.

    “The plan for the horse is to run in the July Cup, though nothing is concrete until Gai sees him again on Wednesday. The horse definitely didn’t like that ground at Ascot but I would say the way the July course is riding at the moment would suit him down to the ground.â€Â

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